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Baseball's Most Lopsided Trades—The Revenge of Glenn Davis
2005-03-17 20:33
by Mike Carminati

Other entries in the Trade Series:

Mike: I’ll Take Manhattan: Baseball’s Most Lopsided Trades: Parts I, I (revised), II

A Quick One (Happy Mike)

Lee Even Stevens: Parts I, II—The Sexy Version

Cain and A-Rod—A Bling-Bling Rivalry: Parts I, II

Kansas City Blues: Part I

Studes: The Best and Worst Teams of the Trade

Smoltz for Alexander

I make them feel confident, and they make me feel safe, and pretty. 'Course, what I give them lasts a lifetime; what they give me lasts 142 games. Sometimes it seems like a bad trade. But bad trades are part of baseball -- now who can forget Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas, for God's sake?

—Annie Savoy in "Bull Durham"

Actually, Pappas et al-for-Robinson wound up tied 108th worst in my lopsided study since Pappas was a pretty decent pitcher after that.

That trade doesn't even compare with Glenn Davis for Curt Schilling, Steve Finley, and Pete Harnisch. Schilling is the hero of Beantown because of his postseason heroics. Finley has 285 career home runs. And Harnisch, though not as successful as the other two, was an All-Star his first year in Houston and won 45 games in four years as an Astro. Davis played parts of three seasons in Baltimore appearing in just 185 games and hitting a meager 24 home runs over that span.

However, the one criticism I heard continually about the study on lopsided trades was that the Davis trade could not be the second most lopsided ever because Houston never got the best years from the two best players in the deal. The 23-year-old Schilling lasted one year in Houston's pen. Finley played four seasons in the Astrodome but was nowhere near the power hitter he is today—his top home run total as a 'Stro was 11.

This was because I looked at the total value of the players involved over the rest of their careers. But, in the Yankee-KC A's analysis, I created a stat to look at how the traded players performed just for the teams to which they were traded, Interstitial Win Shares and Interstitial Win Shares Above Baseline (WSAB). So that it doesn't sound so highfalutin, let's just call them Team Win Shares and Team WSAB.

So using the new stats, which trades are the most lopsided all-time? Let's see…

#1:

Date: December 15, 1900
Trade: New York Giants sent Amos Rusie to Cincinnati for Christy Mathewson
Pre Career WS: -293
Post Career WS: 426
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 21
WSAB Pre Career: -239
WSAB Post Career: 333
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 15
WS Post for Team: 426
WSAB Post for Team: 333

Still number one.

#2:

Date: August 30, 1990
Trade: Boston sent Jeff Bagwell to Houston for Larry Andersen.
Pre Career WS: -63
Post Career WS: 338
Pre Year WS: -10
PostYearWS: -3
WSAB Pre Career: -22
WSAB Post Career: 237
WSAB Pre Yr: -6
WSAB Post Yr: -2
WS Post for Team: 382
WSAB Post for Team: 243

This replaces the other big Houston trade, the Glenn Davis trade, at number two. No matter what Bagwell does in Houston, he won't make up the 100 WSAB difference that separates this from number one.

#3:

Date: January 27, 1982
Trade: The Cubs get Larry Bowa and Ryne Sandberg from the Phils for Ivan DeJesus.
Pre Career WS: 80
Post Career WS: 339
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 8
WSAB Pre Career: 14
WSAB Post Career: 196
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 3
WS Post for Team: 328
WSAB Post for Team: 195

Egads, that's what I get for taking another look at this. Sandberg spent the rest of his Hall-of-Fame career in Chicago. This was made worse when Bowa returned as the controversial Phillies manager.

#4:

Date: November 29, 1971
Trade: Cincinnati sent Lee May, Tommy Helms, and Jimmy Stewart to the Astros for Jack Billingham, Ed Armbrister, Cesar Geronimo, Denis Menke, and Joe Morgan.
Pre Career WS: 152
Post Career WS: 389
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 33
WSAB Pre Career: 111
WSAB Post Career: 233
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 19
WS Post for Team: 337
WSAB Post for Team: 192

Another young Hall-of-Famer (Morgan) traded for experience.

#5:

Date: April 12, 1916
Trade: The Red Sox sent Tris Speaker to Cleveland for Sam Jones, Fred Thomas, and $55K.
Pre Career WS: 258
Post Career WS: 114
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 40
WSAB Pre Career: 191
WSAB Post Career: 109
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 31
WS Post for Team: 265
WSAB Post for Team: 186

And people talk about 1918? This is the one that starting the bleeding in Boston. Speaker had just turned 28 at the time. He led the AL In every batting ratio, hits, doubles, and Adjusted OPS in 1916. He played 11 seasons in Cleveland and 13 more in total.

#6:

Date: May 6, 1930
Trade: The Yankees get Red Ruffing from the Red Sox for Cedric Durst and $50,000.
Pre Career WS: 47
Post Career WS: 262
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 13
WSAB Pre Career: 28
WSAB Post Career: 174
WSAB Pre Yr: 1
WSAB Post Yr: 9
WS Post for Team: 261
WSAB Post for Team: 174

Again, 1918? The Red Sox were up to these shenanigans for decades.

#7:

Date: February 25, 1972
Trade: St. Louis sent Steve Carlton to Philadelphia for Rick Wise.
Pre Career WS: 12
Post Career WS: 176
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 20
WSAB Pre Career: 10
WSAB Post Career: 141
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 20
WS Post for Team: 245
WSAB Post for Team: 173

Here's one that's near and dear to my heart. Wise was a good pitcher, but Carlton became the anchor of the Phils staff and remained so for another 15 years. And of course he won 27 and a Cy Young for the 59-win 1972 Phils. Wise won 32 games in two years in St. Louis and pitched another 11 in total.

#8 (tied):

Date: April 12, 1960
Trade: Detroit gets Norm Cash from Cleveland for Steve Demeter.
Pre Career WS: 4
Post Career WS: 311
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 16
WSAB Pre Career: 0
WSAB Post Career: 166
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 6
WS Post for Team: 311
WSAB Post for Team: 166

Another young player traded before his prime. Cash had been traded twice that offseason from Chicago to Cleveland prior to this one. Demeter played four games and went 0-for-5 for Detroit and called it a career.

#8 (tied):

Date: June 15, 1964
Trade: St. Louis gets Lou Brock, Jack Spring, and Paul Toth from the Cubs for Bobby Shantz, Ernie Broglio and Doug Clemens.
Pre Career WS: -187
Post Career WS: 298
Pre Year WS: -1
PostYearWS: 9
WSAB Pre Career: -114
WSAB Post Career: 166
WSAB Pre Yr: 4
WSAB Post Yr: 9
WS Post for Team: 300
WSAB Post for Team: 166

Ah, Brock. How many of these guys were traded at age 25? Sheez!

#10:

Date: March 30, 1992
Trade: White Sox sent Sammy Sosa and Ken Patterson to the Cubs for George Bell.
Pre Career WS: -124
Post Career WS: 266
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: -5
WSAB Pre Career: -70
WSAB Post Career: 160
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: -3
WS Post for Team: 277
WSAB Post for Team: 160

Alas, another couple of years in Chicago and Sammy could have pushed this into the top 5.

#11:

Date: December 3, 1969
Trade: Mets sent Amos Otis and Bob Johnson to the Kansas City Royals for Joe Foy.
Pre Career WS: -68
Post Career WS: 305
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 29
WSAB Pre Career: -30
WSAB Post Career: 157
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 23
WS Post for Team: 288
WSAB Post for Team: 154

Foy played only 99 games in one season at Shea. Otis played 14 years in KC.

#12:

Date: October 19, 1949
Trade: The Philadelphia Athletics sent Nellie Fox to the White Sox for Joe Tipton.
Pre Career WS: 0
Post Career WS: 269
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 0
WSAB Pre Career: 0
WSAB Post Career: 152
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 0
WS Post for Team: 268
WSAB Post for Team: 149

The 21-year-old Fox was given 98 games in three seasons in Philly to prove himself. Then he went to Chicago, played 14 years, and became a Hall-of-Famer. Tipton was a backup catcher for three seasons with the A's

#13:

Date: December 4, 1974
Trade: Baltimore gets Ken Singleton and Mike Torrez from Montreal for Dave McNally, Rich Coggins, and Bill Kirkpatrick.
Pre Career WS: -63
Post Career WS: 327
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 49
WSAB Pre Career: -55
WSAB Post Career: 186
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 36
WS Post for Team: 242
WSAB Post for Team: 147

McNally was 3-6 with a 5.24 ERA in his last year in the majors. Singleton played ten years in Baltimore and was a three-time All-Star. Torrez lasted only one season with the O's before being packaged in the Reggie Jackson trade, but did win twenty games in that season.

#14 (tie):

Date: June 13, 1938
Trade: Philadelphia sent Bucky Walters to Cincinnati for Spud Davis, Al Hollingsworth,
and $50 K.
Pre Career WS: -92
Post Career WS: 129
Pre Year WS: 3
PostYearWS: -1
WSAB Pre Career: -25
WSAB Post Career: 126
WSAB Pre Yr: 1
WSAB Post Yr: 3
WS Post for Team: 190
WSAB Post for Team: 146

Walters pitched for over ten years in Cincy. He won 27 games his first full year and had 23- and 22-win seasons there. Davis played two seasons as the Phils' mostly starting catcher, one was horrific and the other about average. Hollingsworth was 6-25 in parts of two seasons as a Phil.

#14 (tie):

Date: May 22, 1913
Trade: Cincinnati gets Heinie Groh, Red Ames, Josh Devore, and $20,000 from the Giants for Art Fromme and Eddie Grant.
Pre Career WS: 46
Post Career WS: 332
Pre Year WS: 2
PostYearWS: 24
WSAB Pre Career: 35
WSAB Post Career: 190
WSAB Pre Yr: 2
WSAB Post Yr: 10
WS Post for Team: 231
WSAB Post for Team: 146

Groh lasted 9 seasons in Cincinnati and then was traded back to the Giants when his career was about done. Eddie Grant recorded "Electric Avenue"

#16:

Date: December 12, 1903
Trade: Cardinals sent Mordecai Brown and Jack O'Neill to the Cubs for Jack Taylor and Larry McLean.
Pre Career WS: -93
Post Career WS: 134
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: -4
WSAB Pre Career: -71
WSAB Post Career: 153
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: -7
WS Post for Team: 184
WSAB Post for Team: 143

Another future Hall-of-Famer traded before his prime. Taylor did win 20 for the Cards in his first year but lost 19.

#17:

Date: November 10, 1948
Trade: The White Sox sent Aaron Robinson to Detroit for Billy Pierce and $10 K.
Pre Career WS: -45
Post Career WS: 214
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: -6
WSAB Pre Career: -11
WSAB Post Career: 146
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: -2
WS Post for Team: 193
WSAB Post for Team: 137

The first year, Pierce was 7-15 and Robinson had a 118 OPS+. Then Pierce lasted 13 years on the South Side and won 20 games twice. Robinson last just one and half sub-par years in Detroit after that.

#18:

Date: April 21, 1966
Trade: The Cubs sent Larry Jackson and Bob Buhl to the Phillies for Ferguson, John Herrnstein and Adolfo Phillips.
Pre Career WS: -312
Post Career WS: 338
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 5
WSAB Pre Career: -185
WSAB Post Career: 215
WSAB Pre Yr: -1
WSAB Post Yr: -1
WS Post for Team: 191
WSAB Post for Team: 133

Well, there it is. The Phils trade a future Hall of Famer for two starters that were 35 and 37 years old. Jackson would be decent for three years in Philly rotation but Buhl would last just 137.1 innings and win 6 games in slightly over one year with the Phils. After Leo Durocher converted Fergie to a starter, he would win twenty games in six straight seasons starting in 1967.

#19:

Date: July 20, 1916
Trade: The Giants sent Christy Mathewson, Bill McKechnie and Edd Roush to the Cincinnati Reds for Buck Herzog and Red Killefer.
Pre Career WS: 342
Post Career WS: 259
Pre Year WS: -5
PostYearWS: 2
WSAB Pre Career: 303
WSAB Post Career: 142
WSAB Pre Yr: -5
WSAB Post Yr: -4
WS Post for Team: 227
WSAB Post for Team: 131

This is a less famous Mathewson trade though it's not often you see three Hall-of-Famers traded at once. Roush was the big performer here.

#20:

Date: November 18, 1997
Trade: Tampa Bay sent Bobby Abreu to Philadelphia for Kevin Stocker.
Pre Career WS: -46
Post Career WS: 141
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 21
WSAB Pre Career: -4
WSAB Post Career: 126
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 16
WS Post for Team: 182
WSAB Post for Team: 126

Abreu had the honor of being a Devil Ray for one day as he was taken in the sixth round of the expansion draft from the Astros. He has had seven great seasons in Philly. Another two or three could put this trade in the top 10. Stocker played three season in Tampa but never in more than 112 games in any season.

#21 (tie):

Date: June 15, 1976
Trade: The Yankees sent Scott McGregor, Rick Dempsey, Tippy Martinez, Rudy May, and Dave Pagan to Baltimore for Ken Holtzman, Doyle Alexander, Grant Jackson, Ellie Hendricks, and Jimmy Freeman.
Pre Career WS: -198
Post Career WS: 197
Pre Year WS: -3
PostYearWS: -7
WSAB Pre Career: -84
WSAB Post Career: 54
WSAB Pre Yr: -3
WSAB Post Yr: -4
WS Post for Team: 322
WSAB Post for Team: 124

McGregor lasted 13 years and won 138 games in Baltimore. Dempsey was the O's starting catcher for eleven years. Martinez spent eleven years in the Baltimore pen. May won 29 games in a season and half as an Oriole.

As Yankees, Alexander was 1-9 and Holtzman was a bust. Jackson was great for his half-season in NY (202 Adjust ERA and 6-0 record) but was taken by the M's in the expansion draft. Hendricks played 26 games as backup catcher and future bullpen coach, and Freeman never played in the majors again.

#21 (tie):

Date: January 14, 1963
Trade: The White Sox sent Luis Aparicio and Al Smith to Baltimore for Hoyt Wilhelm, Dave Nicholson, Pete Ward, and Ron Hansen.
Pre Career WS: -113
Post Career WS: 184
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 45
WSAB Pre Career: -32
WSAB Post Career: 108
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 30
WS Post for Team: 217
WSAB Post for Team: 124

The O's got five years of Aparicio's career during his prime, but they were nowhere near as good as Wilhelm's six in Chicago, during which he had only one season with an ERA over 2.00 and that year it was 2.64. Ward had a good but short career (eight more seasons) with Chicago. Hansen was a shortstop who hit 44 home runs over the next three seasons, twenty in the second season. Even Nicholson hit 22 home runs the next season before quickly fading from the scene. Smith lasted one year in Baltimore and then ran for president.

#23 (tie):

Date: October 12, 1966
Trade: Pittsburgh sent Wilbur Wood to the White Sox for a player to be named later (Juan Pizarro).
Pre Career WS: -88
Post Career WS: 153
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 2
WSAB Pre Career: -46
WSAB Post Career: 117
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 2
WS Post for Team: 177
WSAB Post for Team: 121

The Chisox again? Wood pitched 12 seasons, won twenty games four years straight, and reportedly pitched both ends of every doubleheader the Sox played during that period. Pizzaro last 118 innings and a year and one half in Pittsburgh.

#23 (tie):

Date: December 14, 1948
Trade: Cleveland gets Mickey Vernon and Early Wynn from Washington for Ed Klieman, Joe Haynes, and Eddie Robinson.
Pre Career WS: 46
Post Career WS: 307
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 7
WSAB Pre Career: 38
WSAB Post Career: 197
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 5
WS Post for Team: 169
WSAB Post for Team: 121

Vernon lasted a little over one year in Cleveland before returning to the Senators, but Wynn pitched nin years and won twenty games four times. Klieman pitched just two games in DC. Haynes was 10-21 in four seasons as a Sentor and had 6.26 and 5.84 ERAs his first two years. Robinson last a little over one season though that season was pretty good. Then he became the coach at Grambling for the next fifty-odd years.

#25:

Date: December 15, 1920
Trade: The Red Sox sent Waite Hoyt, Harry Harper, Mike McNally, and Wally Schang to the Yankees for Muddy Ruel, Del Pratt, Sammy Vick, and Hank Thormahlen.
Pre Career WS: -177
Post Career WS: 254
Pre Year WS: 0
PostYearWS: 14
WSAB Pre Career: -93
WSAB Post Career: 152
WSAB Pre Yr: 0
WSAB Post Yr: 19
WS Post for Team: 186
WSAB Post for Team: 118

Hoyt pitched for a decade in NY and became a Hall-of-Famer. Schang caught for five years with the Yanks. Pratt and Ruel each played just two seasons in Boston. Thormahlen was 1-7 as a Red Sock.

Comments
2005-03-17 23:30:24
1.   Bob Timmermann
Eddie Grant should be given a bit more respect as he did die during WWI.

He had stopped playing baseball a few years before he went off to Europe.

2005-03-18 05:35:00
2.   Mike Carminati
I meant no disrespect. It was just a joke. More to the point, he did a bit more than that. From BaseballLibrary.com:

In World War I, he led a mission in the Argonne Forest offensive to rescue the "Lost Battalion" trapped behind German lines. When he met with machine gun fire, he became the only ML player killed in wartime action. A monument to his memory was placed in the Polo Grounds' deep centerfield, and each Memorial Day there was a wreath-laying ceremony at his plaque.

He had already retired to practice law years before though, so it did not affect his career nor the aftereffects of this trade.

2005-03-18 08:22:33
3.   Bob Timmermann
I had a feeling it was a joke. Just wanted to forestall people who get really ticked off.

I got an angry email once from the cousin of a player about whom I made a joke in passing about once in a blog comment.

2005-03-18 08:44:45
4.   Mike Carminati
And for the record, this Al Smith wasn't the presidential candidate, and this Eddie Robisnon wasn't the Grambling coach. Also, Wilbur Wood did not pitch every DH the Chisox played. And Steve Garvey is not my Padre.

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