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Retaining Watermark II
2006-03-15 22:31
by Mike Carminati

Yesterday we found that retaining many of one's youngsters does not ensure success on the field. Being a Phillies fan, I know that sometimes running your homegrown talent out year after year is only a good idea if you homegrown guys are good—remember Steve Jeltz?

But what if we could filter out those homegrown players that burn a hole in your team's roster. I reran the numbers looking at just those players who had at least 100 Win Shares in their careers. Here are the results sorted by the percentage of time the average 100-WS prospect spent with his first club:

Franchise100 WS Tm Yrs Total Years %
Colorado Rockies1 9.00 9.00 100.00%
Tampa Bay Devil Rays1 5.00 8.00 62.50%
Detroit Tigers77 8.48 14.22 59.63%
Kansas City Royals25 8.04 13.92 57.76%
New York Yankees101 7.19 12.89 55.76%
Boston Red Sox69 7.83 14.12 55.44%
Minnesota Twins67 8.13 14.78 55.05%
Chicago White Sox66 7.14 13.08 54.58%
Toronto Blue Jays23 7.57 13.91 54.38%
Milwaukee Brewers22 8.00 14.77 54.15%
Los Angeles Dodgers103 7.44 14.15 52.57%
Houston Astros35 7.37 14.17 52.02%
Washington Nationals28 7.11 14.29 49.75%
Atlanta Braves92 6.89 14.07 49.00%
Cleveland Indians89 6.85 14.04 48.80%
Pittsburgh Pirates103 6.80 13.97 48.64%
San Francisco Giants105 6.88 14.30 48.10%
Baltimore Orioles66 6.92 14.41 48.05%
St. Louis Cardinals112 6.47 13.99 46.27%
Cincinnati Reds95 6.23 13.84 45.02%
Philadelphia Phillies72 6.19 13.82 44.82%
Oakland Athletics82 6.71 15.05 44.57%
Chicago Cubs103 6.30 14.19 44.39%
New York Mets37 6.62 15.05 43.99%
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim36 5.86 14.17 41.37%
Texas Rangers28 5.93 14.68 40.39%
Seattle Mariners24 5.21 13.04 39.94%
San Diego Padres18 5.39 14.22 37.89%
Florida Marlins7 4.14 11.00 37.66%

So how well does that correlate to winning percentage? Not at all actually (coefficient of -0.0842). Maybe 100 Win Shares just isn't enough. I ran the data again using a 200 Win Share cutoff:

Franchise200 WS Tm Yrs Total Years %
Colorado Rockies1 9.00 9.00 100.00%
New York Yankees25 11.28 14.72 76.63%
Kansas City Royals4 13.75 18.75 73.33%
Detroit Tigers31 12.03 16.74 71.87%
Minnesota Twins22 11.86 18.23 65.09%
Los Angeles Dodgers35 9.60 16.43 58.43%
Boston Red Sox24 10.08 17.33 58.17%
Milwaukee Brewers5 10.80 19.00 56.84%
Atlanta Braves31 9.03 16.19 55.78%
Pittsburgh Pirates30 9.10 16.47 55.26%
Houston Astros11 9.27 16.82 55.14%
Chicago Cubs31 9.19 16.77 54.81%
Baltimore Orioles21 9.48 17.33 54.67%
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim8 8.50 16.25 52.31%
Seattle Mariners6 8.17 15.67 52.13%
Chicago White Sox17 9.12 17.65 51.67%
San Francisco Giants41 8.32 16.76 49.64%
Toronto Blue Jays8 7.63 16.00 47.66%
St. Louis Cardinals32 7.84 16.50 47.54%
Washington Nationals9 8.44 17.89 47.20%
Cincinnati Reds31 7.81 16.94 46.10%
Philadelphia Phillies26 7.31 16.46 44.39%
Cleveland Indians28 7.25 16.46 44.03%
Oakland Athletics36 7.61 17.33 43.91%
Texas Rangers9 7.11 16.33 43.54%
San Diego Padres5 7.80 18.00 43.33%
New York Mets8 6.63 17.25 38.41%

I like what I'm seeing toward the top of table. Does it correlate any better? Ever so slightly, but not really (0.1527).

Ok, as a last ditch effort I will limit the data just to players with 300 or more career Win Shares, basically a Hall of Fame-caliber player. So how'd we do this time?

Franchise300 WS Tm Yrs Total Years %
Kansas City Royals12121100.00%
New York Yankees616.333316.598.99%
Detroit Tigers619.520.166796.69%
Baltimore Orioles516.420.281.19%
Seattle Mariners31215.666776.60%
Los Angeles Dodgers712.571417.857170.40%
Cincinnati Reds813.519.87567.92%
Milwaukee Brewers31319.666766.10%
Atlanta Braves912.777819.888964.25%
Houston Astros511.818.663.44%
Chicago White Sox611.66671961.40%
San Francisco Giants1311.230818.384661.09%
Boston Red Sox1112.545520.545561.06%
Minnesota Twins812.62520.87560.48%
St. Louis Cardinals1110.727318.545557.84%
Chicago Cubs1110.363618.454556.16%
Pittsburgh Pirates1110.363618.909154.81%
Oakland Athletics108.919.346.11%
San Diego Padres48.7519.544.87%
Philadelphia Phillies117.9090917.818244.39%
Washington Nationals58.419.642.86%
Toronto Blue Jays26.51836.11%
Cleveland Indians3618.333332.73%
New York Mets3620.666729.03%
Texas Rangers11175.88%

We improved significantly (0.4327 coefficient), but I'm still not happy.

Maybe looking at the total number of players produced who eventually collected the desired Win Share total is enough. Maybe it doesn't matter how much time those actually spend with the team. Let's see. I ran the numbers and actually it correlates pretty well for 100 Win Shares (0.7662). But what's odd is that it goes down significantly as the Win Share cutoff goes up, eventually approaching what we saw above at 300 WS (0.6538 for 200 WS and 0.4332 for 300).<.p>

Let's try looking at just the average number of years the player spent with the team that developed him. Those numbers don't correlate as either of the other two (0.3418 for 100 WS, 0.2470 for 200, and 0.3469 for 300), and it takes an odd dip in the middle.

So what have we learned? It's most important to develop credible major-leaguers in large numbers and it's best to retain the best players for the longest amount of time. That seems to make sense, sort of the Branch Rickey player development approach when he revamped the Cards' minor league system. Quantity and quality.

Comments
2006-03-16 12:19:41
1.   Cliff Corcoran
So you're saying that if you have lots of good players you're more likely to win? Pretty bold statement there.
2006-03-16 19:15:26
2.   Mike Carminati
No, what I'm saying is if you develop large quantities of decent major-leaguers AND keep the cream of that crop, you'll win. Not revelatory maybe, but there you are.

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