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Hall Welcomes New Sutter, Hopes He Is Not A Roué
2006-01-10 22:41
by Mike Carminati

The baseball writers' Hall of Fame vote was announced today and though the voters seemed to like a bunch of candidates (five got over fifty percent), they only took one to the big dance. Bruce Sutter is now a Hall of Fame or at least a Hall of Famer-elect.

Many will look at Sutter's stats and say that he doesn't deserve the honor, but if you study the history of relief pitching (as I have), his impact is without question. If that makes him more of a Candy Cummings-type of selection, so be it. It all ends up in the same place, as they say.

And though the naysayers had be believing that no one would garner enough votes to merit election, I should have seen the writing on the wall. Last year Sutter got two-thirds of the vote.

Of the previous 48 men who received at least two-thirds of the vote but not the requisite 75% for election, 73% made it to the Hall within by the next ballot. All of them got into the Hall eventually, though one (Nellie Fox) took 12 years.

As for the next four in the vote, all of whom received at least 50%, I say take heart. Gil Hodges is the only man to receive at least 50% of the writers' vote and not get elected (and he might finally get there next year if the vets can ever pick anyone again). As for Rice, Gossage, and Dawson, who all got at least 60% of the vote, in the past 54% of those receiving that high a percentage went in by the next ballot. 71% got in within two years.

Oh, and by the way, it's the second time since 1986 that at least three players have gotten at least 60% of the vote without reaching the magical 75%. '83 had the most with five, and 1946 and '51 are the only ones with four.

And don't feel so badly for Sutter given that he cleared the bar by a measly ten votes (390 were needed and he got 400). Plenty of previous Hall of Famers have Fosbury Flopped over the bar with less room to spare.

Sutter is the 24th to go in by ten votes or less:

NameYrVotesNeededOver ByPCT
Al Simmons1953199198175.38%
Fergie Jenkins1991334333175.40%
Ralph Kiner1975273272175.41%
Willie Keeler1939207206175.55%
Pie Traynor19489391276.86%
Lefty Grove1947123121276.40%
Cy Young1937153151276.12%
Herb Pennock19489491377.69%
Early Wynn1972301297476.01%
Jackie Robinson1962124120477.50%
Catfish Hunter1987315310576.27%
Ryne Sandberg2005393387676.16%
Bill Terry1954195189677.38%
Gabby Hartnett1955195189677.69%
Eddie Collins1939213206777.74%
Rogers Hornsby1942182175778.11%
Lou Boudreau1970232225777.33%
Joe Cronin1956152145778.76%
Mickey Cochrane1947128121779.50%
Gaylord Perry1991342333977.20%
Jimmie Foxx1951179170979.20%
Tony Perez20003853751077.15%
Whitey Ford19742842741077.81%
Bruce Sutter20064003901076.92%

It's not so bad for a pitcher to be in the company of Cy Young and Lefty Grove after all.

Percentage-wise, Sutter was a bit closer, coming in at 11th for the lowest among all Hall-of-Famers:

NameYrVotesNeededOver ByPCT
Al Simmons1953199198175.38%
Fergie Jenkins1991334333175.40%
Ralph Kiner1975273272175.41%
Willie Keeler1939207206175.55%
Early Wynn1972301297476.01%
Cy Young1937153151276.12%
Ryne Sandberg2005393387676.16%
Catfish Hunter1987315310576.27%
Lefty Grove1947123121276.40%
Pie Traynor19489391276.86%
Bruce Sutter20064003901076.92%

Finally, the election of Sutter adds another Hall of Famer to the resumes of the Braves, Cubs, and Cards who are now third, fourth, and fifth (respectively) all time in Hall of Fame players. Here are the all-time standings. Surprisingly, the Yankees place seventh, one spot behind the Red Sox and just one ahead of the lowly Phils (though the Phils are famous for trading future Hall-of-Famers early in their careers):

TeamActive?#Players
San Francisco GiantsY54
Los Angeles DodgersY48
Atlanta BravesY45
Chicago CubsY40
St. Louis CardinalsY37
Boston Red SoxY36
New York YankeesY34
Philadelphia PhilliesY33
Oakland AthleticsY32
Pittsburgh PiratesY32
Cincinnati RedsY30
Cleveland IndiansY27
Chicago White SoxY22
Baltimore OriolesY21
Minnesota TwinsY20
Detroit TigersY19
New York MetsY9
Anaheim AngelsY8
Houston AstrosY8
Louisville ColonelsN6
Cleveland SpidersN6
Troy TrojansN5
Milwaukee BrewersY5
Baltimore OriolesN5
San Diego PadresY5
Kansas City RoyalsY4
New York GiantsN4
Boston RedsN4
Buffalo BisonsN4
Providence GraysN3
Texas RangersY3
Toronto Blue JaysY3
Chicago WhalesN3
Detroit WolverinesN2
Newark PepperN2
Pittsburgh BurghersN2
Montreal ExposY2
Washington SenatorsN2
St. Louis TerriersN2
Brooklyn Ward's WondersN1
Brooklyn Tip-TopsN1
Boston Red StockingsN1
Baltimore TerrapinsN1
Boston RedsN1
Chicago PiratesN1
Tampa Bay Devil RaysY1
Cincinnati Kelly's KillersN1
St. Louis Brown StockingsN1
Cleveland InfantsN1
Seattle MarinersY1
Rockford Forest CitysN1
Indianapolis HoosiersN1
Kansas City CowboysN1
Worcester Ruby LegsN1
Middletown MansfieldsN1
Philadelphia AthleticsN1
New York MetropolitansN1
Cincinnati RedsN1
Comments
2006-01-10 22:55:51
1.   Cliff Corcoran
After Gossage and Joe Gordon the Yankees don't have that many deserving candidates on the outside either. (per my comment on this Griddle Post:
https://griddle.baseballtoaster.com/archives/311591.html)

The only current or non-eligible Yanks I can think of that are likely to go in are Jeter, Rivera and Torre and maybe Bernie Williams (though given Torre, I think Billy Martin should also go in as a mgr). They'll piggyback guys like Clemens & Unit. Rodriguez might actually go in as a Yank assuming he finishes his contract in NY. But still, I don't see them moving up on this list.

If you made an inner circle, however, I bet the Yankees' rank would go up.

2006-01-11 06:08:14
2.   Todd S
All those HoFers and still no World Series for the Cubs in 100 years? This just depresses me further.
2006-01-11 08:33:00
3.   Chris
Mike,
In your relief study in which Goose ranked I think only behind Wilhelm, where did Sutter rank?
2006-01-11 08:47:49
4.   ChuckM
I'm confused, why is Cincy listed twice?
2006-01-11 10:58:24
5.   Mike Carminati
That's the old Cincy Reds, a defunct club. It probably is King Kelly, who was on that club, I believe. The current Reds go back to 1882 and started in the old "Beer and Whiskey" league, the American Association. The old Reds were kicked out of the NL in 1880, I think. Different clubs. And neither goes back to the Cincinnati "Red Stockings", the first admittedly all-pro team, either.
2006-01-11 11:26:45
6.   Mike Carminati
There are also two Baltimore O's (the current one and the one from the 1890s). The NY Giants that is listed is from the 1890 Players League (Buck Ewing, Tim Keefe, Jim O'Rourke, and Roger Connor). The NY Giants that moved to San Fran in 1958 are included in the SF Giants franchise.
2006-01-11 11:36:03
7.   Mike Carminati
Chris,

From http://www.all-baseball.com/mikesbballrants/archives/011977.html, Sutter is ranked second behind Dan Quisenberry under the "Bruce Sutter" archetype (boy, that's embarassing). He's 17th overall (through the 2003 season--see http://www.all-baseball.com/mikesbballrants/archives/011943.html).

I also have Hall of Fame evaluations for relievers at the bottom of the first link above. Basically, Goosage and Mariano Rivera are clear-cut Hall of Famers according to the results. Sutter is borderline, but I posit my argument for his enshrinement based on his role as a trailblazer.

2006-01-12 08:23:50
8.   ChuckM
Ahh, I was under the impression that all the Cincy teams got lumped together...
2006-01-12 09:19:18
9.   sam2175
Mike,

Excellent work. I wonder what the numbers for Rivera are right now after his stellar (as usual) 2004 and 2005 seasons.

Gossage does have some legitimate beef with the baseball writers. This is truly the definition of ridiculous.

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