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I took a look at the dismemberment of the Marlins (or is it filleting?) a couple of weeks ago and found that the team had cut their payroll by about $25M from $65M to $40M.
I also looked at the high turnover on the Red Sox going into their second season after winning the World Series. One of the comments on that post asked how the Marlins would compare if we were to extend the study to a third year.
Well, given that the Crazy Marlins have unloaded everything that was not tiedor more to the point every player who was tied down, to a contractI thought it would be interesting to revisit the floundering fish.
As for the team turnover, the Marlins have just three players left from the 2003 championship team: Dontrelle Willis, Miguel Cabrera, and Nate Bump, all of whom were rookies in 2003. Since I wrote the first piece on Florida about three weeks ago they have traded away their starting second baseman for the past seven seasons Luis Castillo (who had been with the team since 1996), their veteran catcher Paul Lo Duca, and their center fielder Juan Pierre.
Miguel Cabrera is the only starting position player from this past season who is still with the team. In fact, of the ten players who had more than 134 at-bats for the team in 2005, he's the sole survivor. Willis and Jason Vargas are the only starting pitchers with at least 5 starts for the Marlins in 2005 to still call Florida their home. In the pen there is just one pitcher remaining who made at least 30 appearances in 2005 (Bump).
The Marlins have no players remaining from the 15 who made at least $1M in 2005. Their two young stars, Cabrera and Willis, could become trade bait after they go through arbitration and get what I would expect are very large salary increases. From an estimated $65M payroll in 2005, Florida has now pared $60,993,334 through trades and free agent departures. That is unbelievable. Until arbitration John Riedling with his $750 salary is the highest paid Marlin.
I wouldn't be surprised if they waived vets Ron Villone ($1,950,000 in 2005 with the M's and Marlins, paid by the M's) and Riedling. That would leave them with no player who made more than $378,500 in 2005 (Willis).
The minimum possible team payroll in 2006 would be $8M (i.e., league minimum, $320K, for all 25 players). I estimate that the Marlins 2006 salary (even with Riedling still in the fold and with the three holdovers from 2003 getting salary bumps through arbitration) being about $18M. If the Marlins complete their housekeeping, they could get below $18M.
This team has been thoroughly gutted with not so much as an "I say!" from commissioner Bud. And let's make no mistake here: this is an historic housecleaning. This is beyond anything that Connie Mack or Charlie O. Finley ever tried.
Here's an update to their team payroll by player:
Player | 2005 Salary | 2006 status | 2006 Salary |
Mike Lowell | $7,500,000 | Traded to Red Sox | |
Al Leiter | $7,000,000 | No longer with team | |
Luis Castillo | $5,166,667 | Traded to Twins | |
Paul Lo Duca | $4,666,667 | Traded to Mets | |
Juan Encarnacion | $4,435,000 | Free Agent | |
Carlos Delgado | $4,000,000 | Traded to Mets | |
Juan Pierre | $3,700,000 | Traded To Cubs | |
A.J. Burnett | $3,650,000 | Free Agent | |
Alex Gonzalez | $3,400,000 | Free Agent | |
Jeff Conine | $3,000,000 | Free Agent | |
Guillermo Mota | $2,600,000 | Traded to Red Sox | |
Josh Beckett | $2,400,000 | Traded to Red Sox | |
Ismael Valdez | $1,500,000 | Free Agent | |
Todd Jones | $1,100,000 | Free Agent | |
Jim Mecir | $1,100,000 | Free Agent | |
Damion Easley | $750,000 | Free Agent | |
John Riedling | $750,000 | ? | $750,000 |
Matt Perisho | $475,000 | No longer with team | |
Lenny Harris | $425,000 | Free Agent | |
Brian Moehler | $400,000 | Free Agent | |
Dontrelle Willis | $378,500 | $5,000,000 | |
Miguel Cabrera | $370,000 | $5,000,000 | |
Nate Bump | $360,000 | $500,000 | |
Chris Aguila | $316,000 | New OF | $320,000 |
Matt Treanor | $316,000 | New C | $320,000 |
Antonio Alfonseca | $300,000 | Free Agent, option declined | |
Mike Mordecai | $425,000 | Free Agent | |
Paul Quantrill | $3,000,000 | Free Agent | |
Jason Vargas | ? | SP | $320,000 |
Randy Messenger | ? | RP | $320,000 |
Ron Villone | $1,950,000 | ? | |
Valerio de los Santos | ? | ? | $320,000 |
Scott Olsen | ? | SP | $320,000 |
Chris Resop | ? | RP | $320,000 |
Josh Johnson | ? | SP | $320,000 |
Robert Andino | ? | New SS? | $320,000 |
Jeremy Hermida | ? | New OF | $320,000 |
Joe Dillon | ? | New 2B or UT? | $320,000 |
Josh Willingham | ? | New C? | $320,000 |
Josh Wilson | ? | New 2B? | $320,000 |
Ryan Jorgensen | ? | New C? | $320,000 |
Alfredo Amezaga | $0 | New 3B? | $320,000 |
Mike Jacobs | $0 | New 1B or C | $320,000 |
Hanley Ramirez | $0 | New SS? | $320,000 |
Sergio Mitre | $0 | $350,000 | |
Total | $65,433,834 | $ 17,040,000 |
(Notes: Mordecai is based on 2004. Quantrill's 2005 contract was with the Yankees. Villone's 2005 salary was paid by the Mariners.)
Having only three players remaining from a championship team three years later is the lowest total ever, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Marlins got rid of any or all of the three post arbitration. Here are the worst records of player retention for a World Series winner, three years after a championship (Keep in mind that the average for a World Series champ is about 12 players retained three years later and that the highest was 20 retained by the '86 Mets and the '51 Yankees):
Yr | Team | Num Players | PCT | Yr3 PCT | Diff |
1918 | Boston Red Sox | 4 | .595 | .487 | -.108 |
1974 | Oakland Athletics | 4 | .556 | .391 | -.164 |
1941 | New York Yankees | 5 | .656 | .539 | -.117 |
1997 | Florida Marlins | 5 | .568 | .491 | -.077 |
1944 | St. Louis Cardinals | 7 | .682 | .578 | -.104 |
1919 | Cincinnati Reds | 7 | .686 | .558 | -.127 |
1914 | Boston Braves | 7 | .614 | .471 | -.144 |
1990 | Cincinnati Reds | 7 | .562 | .451 | -.111 |
1915 | Boston Red Sox | 7 | .669 | .595 | -.074 |
1928 | New York Yankees | 8 | .656 | .614 | -.041 |
1913 | Philadelphia Athletics | 8 | .627 | .235 | -.392 |
1934 | St. Louis Cardinals | 8 | .621 | .526 | -.095 |
1925 | Pittsburgh Pirates | 8 | .621 | .559 | -.062 |
1942 | St. Louis Cardinals | 8 | .688 | .617 | -.071 |
2001 | Arizona Diamondbacks | 8 | .568 | .315 | -.253 |
1940 | Cincinnati Reds | 8 | .654 | .565 | -.089 |
1921 | New York Giants | 8 | .614 | .608 | -.007 |
The current Marlins are worse than the Charlie O. A's, the Harry Frazee Red Sox who begot a "curse", war-era championship teamshey, the are even worse than the '97 version of the team reviled for buying a championship and then cutting bait. On average these teams' winning percentage decrease by 120 points, from .626 to .506.
I expect the Marlins to be much worse than that. 120 point worse than their 2003 record (91-71, .562) would be about 72 wins. I think that's high. This team could be among the worst ever even if they decide to keep Cabrera and Willis.
Consider that the current crew of position players has just 851 games of major-league experience. Miguel Cabrera with two and one half years under his belt is by far the most experienced player. He's the only one who has played in at least 162 games, the equivalent of a major-league season and his career total (405) is nearly half the team total (851). They have just eight players with more than 20 games of major-experience. Do I smell a lineup? Here's the rundown:
Player | Career G |
Miguel Cabrera | 405 |
Alfredo Amezaga | 127 |
Chris Aguila | 94 |
Matt Treanor | 87 |
Mike Jacobs | 30 |
Josh Willingham | 28 |
Joe Dillon | 27 |
Jeremy Hermida | 23 |
Robert Andino | 17 |
Josh Wilson | 11 |
Hanley Ramirez | 2 |
Reggie Abercrombie | 0 |
Jason Stokes | 0 |
Eric Reed | 0 |
Dan Uggla | 0 |
Total | 851 |
Baseball has not seen as inexperienced a team as this since foundation of the rival Union Association in 1884. There are 54 teams in baseball history with less than 851 games of experience for its position players. None are from after 1884. On average they have a .396 winning percentage, which translates into a 64-98 record in a 162-game schedule. Here are the least experienced:
Player | Lg | Yr | Career G | W | L | PCT |
Milwaukee Brewers | UA | 1884 | 13 | 8 | 4 | .667 |
St. Paul Apostles | UA | 1884 | 15 | 2 | 6 | .250 |
Middletown Mansfields | NA | 1872 | 30 | 5 | 19 | .208 |
St. Louis Red Stockings | NA | 1875 | 36 | 4 | 15 | .211 |
Washington Nationals | NA | 1872 | 48 | 0 | 11 | .000 |
Baltimore Marylands | NA | 1873 | 54 | 0 | 6 | .000 |
Brooklyn Atlantics | NA | 1872 | 74 | 9 | 28 | .243 |
Brooklyn Eckfords | NA | 1872 | 88 | 3 | 26 | .103 |
Altoona Mountain City | UA | 1884 | 111 | 6 | 19 | .240 |
Washington Nationals | AA | 1884 | 133 | 12 | 51 | .190 |
All 13 career games for the 1884 Brewers were contributed by catcher Cal Broughton, and all of those came in the previous season.
Here are the teams with the least experience for their position players since the inception of the AL and the start of the "modern" era. None are within 1100 games of the Marlins. This includes teams from short-lived third leagues, from the starts of the AL, and during wars, and the '06 Marlins will destroy them all:
Player | Lg | Yr | Career G | W | L | PCT |
Kansas City Packers | FL | 1914 | 2049 | 67 | 84 | .444 |
Cincinnati Reds | NL | 1907 | 2135 | 66 | 87 | .431 |
Boston Braves | NL | 1944 | 2213 | 65 | 89 | .422 |
Boston Doves | NL | 1910 | 2226 | 53 | 100 | .346 |
St. Louis Terriers | FL | 1914 | 2373 | 62 | 89 | .411 |
Detroit Tigers | AL | 1901 | 2391 | 74 | 61 | .548 |
Minnesota Twins | AL | 1983 | 2425 | 70 | 92 | .432 |
Indianapolis Hoosiers | FL | 1914 | 2444 | 88 | 65 | .575 |
Cincinnati Reds | NL | 1909 | 2455 | 77 | 76 | .503 |
Florida Marlins | NL | 1999 | 2491 | 64 | 98 | .395 |
Milwaukee Brewers | AL | 1901 | 2513 | 48 | 89 | .350 |
Brooklyn Superbas | NL | 1905 | 2533 | 48 | 104 | .316 |
St. Louis Browns | AL | 1948 | 2555 | 59 | 94 | .386 |
Chicago Cubs | NL | 1923 | 2608 | 83 | 71 | .539 |
St. Louis Cardinals | NL | 1908 | 2644 | 49 | 105 | .318 |
Boston Red Sox | AL | 1909 | 2723 | 88 | 63 | .583 |
Philadelphia Athletics | AL | 1936 | 2759 | 53 | 100 | .346 |
Montreal Expos | NL | 1993 | 2783 | 94 | 68 | .580 |
Brooklyn Dodgers | NL | 1912 | 2824 | 58 | 95 | .379 |
St. Louis Cardinals | NL | 1902 | 2828 | 56 | 78 | .418 |
Total | 1322 | 1708 | .436 |
Looking at just the teams from the last fifty years, it gets worse. Note that the closest team has about 1600 games more of experience or about 200% more:
Player | Lg | Yr | Career G | W | L | PCT |
Minnesota Twins | AL | 1983 | 2425 | 70 | 92 | .432 |
Florida Marlins | NL | 1999 | 2491 | 64 | 98 | .395 |
Montreal Expos | NL | 1993 | 2783 | 94 | 68 | .580 |
San Diego Padres | NL | 1969 | 2873 | 52 | 110 | .321 |
Kansas City Royals | AL | 1969 | 3205 | 69 | 93 | .426 |
San Diego Padres | NL | 1970 | 3299 | 63 | 99 | .389 |
St. Louis Browns | AL | 1950 | 3301 | 58 | 96 | .377 |
Chicago White Sox | AL | 1999 | 3476 | 75 | 86 | .466 |
Pittsburgh Pirates | NL | 1955 | 3579 | 60 | 94 | .390 |
Pittsburgh Pirates | NL | 1998 | 3597 | 69 | 93 | .426 |
Montreal Expos | NL | 1998 | 3660 | 65 | 97 | .401 |
Minnesota Twins | AL | 2000 | 3734 | 69 | 93 | .426 |
Montreal Expos | NL | 1994 | 3854 | 74 | 40 | .649 |
Kansas City Athletics | AL | 1962 | 3879 | 72 | 90 | .444 |
Minnesota Twins | AL | 2001 | 3930 | 85 | 77 | .525 |
Minnesota Twins | AL | 1982 | 3974 | 60 | 102 | .370 |
Kansas City Athletics | AL | 1967 | 4010 | 62 | 99 | .385 |
Kansas City Royals | AL | 1996 | 4073 | 75 | 86 | .466 |
Montreal Expos | NL | 1996 | 4098 | 88 | 74 | .543 |
Oakland Athletics | AL | 1979 | 4160 | 54 | 108 | .333 |
Total | 1378 | 1795 | .434 |
What we are witnessing here is something that's never even been conceived before. It's the near total dismantling of a major-league team. Some of the teams on the list above are very inexperienced but that is because of a young, talented players being given a chance. Usually those players get a short trial to prove themselves and a team makes the plunge.
That's not the case here. The Marlins were a veteran club that was supposed to compete in 2005. They failed to mount a serious postseason challenge. They did not start dismantling and rebuilding during the season. The team remained essentially intact until the postseason, and then boom!
One has to wonder with the owners being allowed to contract after this season without the players say-so, what the end game is here. Of course, the Marlins are looking forand apparently not gettinga new stadium. They have also threatened to leave, and may be cutting payroll to became more attractive, at least financially.
Whatever the cause, I think we have an opportunity to witness something that will make the '62 Mets and the 2003 Tigers seem like amateurs (or is that professionals?). We're talking neo-Cleveland Spiders here. If this team does not lose 100 games, I will be shocked. If they don't break the Mets' "record" of 120, it'll be a crime. Boy, Joe Girardi is really going to miss his cushy Yankee job, if not his cushy Yankee players, by season's end.
With the CBA set to expire after next season, is it time for the C-word to be tossed around again?
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