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Deconstructing Joe
2005-07-06 21:29
by Mike Carminati

Tommy Craggs has a look at Joe Morgan's psyche, or lack thereof, in the San Francisco Weekly.

The article features some cherce quotes from yours truly including a reference to "Reefer Madnesss" that I managed to slip in. I miss Joe. I wonder if he misses me, too. Buck up little soldier.

2005-07-07 09:44:05
1.   Todd S
Nice article. Thanks for the link. Sometimes I miss not having ESPN, but articles like this bring me some small comfort.
2005-07-07 09:58:29
2.   Sushirabbit
That was a really good piece. I think this happens all the time, with all sorts of things. Cars maybe, or for me since I know way too much about it, the CO2 forcing model also known as "global warming"... people just spout things as if they were true, and if you ask them for the facts they quote the NY Times, or FOX News, or whatever. If you try to get them to agree on anything, especially any kind of quantified measuring, they look at you as if you have lost your mind... like you're the one who is crazy.

And it's even worse when the person is someone you've come to respect for other reasons, ala Joe Morgan. I like it that Tommy does sort of dig at what's underneath Morgan's hatred, which is clearly what it is. Some people are genuinely threatened by the idea that you can quantify things. I'm not sure, but somehow, that just seems un-american in the little "a" cultural sort of way, and maybe that's part of what's going on, people see their whole world view being cast aside.

Well, blah, blah, blah, I'm just a blow-hard myself, I guess, I just wanted to comment and say thanks for pointing out the piece.

2005-07-07 10:53:53
3.   Dan Rydell

Mind pontificating a bit on global warming for the less informed?

2005-07-08 08:57:49
4.   MackJohnny
I'm no fan of Joe Morgan the broadcaster, but that article is unfair and flawed. Unfair in that it reads as a maliciously childish, and, yes, querulous personal attack on Morgan. Flawed in that it succumbs to a thing for which it pokes Morgan with a stick (it's not even a particularly sharp stick). For instance:

Even as front offices scramble to hire just about anyone who can run a statistical regression, at least two books, one by Cardinals manager Tony La Russa, have been written more or less as responses to Moneyball


"You know," Joe begins to say, as a makeup brush is dabbed along his forehead, "why don't you read the --" He catches himself. I'm pretty sure he's going to plug Tony La Russa's book.

The book the writer is referring to, Three Nights in August, was not written by Tony La Russa, but by Buzz Bissinger.

That's irony. Unintentional irony. I briefly wondered if it might have been intentional, but it isn't. Not from a writer who is capable of this sort of clumsy construction: Socratic exchange with Joe Morgan No. 1....

Does the SF Weekly have no editors?

2005-07-08 10:43:45
5.   Mike Carminati
He could have meant "Tony La Russa talks baseball strategy with Joe Buck"
2005-07-09 10:09:17
6.   MackJohnny
True, Mike, he could have. And if so, I'd temper my comment to "a maliciously childish personal attack."
2005-07-14 15:06:45
7.   Sushirabbit
Yes, I do mind, I don't want to pontificate about anything here. Most especially non-baseball stuff. I think there is a place for making connections, though.

That is good irony. I haven't read any of these books, but I understood that "moneyball" started as one thing and ended up another, while "3 nights" started out with an agenda and pursued it. Am I wrong on both those counts?

How exactly is it childish to try and get Morgan to answer some simple questions? To me it seemed like he went out of his way to include what might be Morgan's perspective, since Morgan himself was unwilling to provide it. While that's clearly entering fictional realm, it didn't seem untoward to me, but rather forgiving. I guess I can see the dogged pursuit as childish, but Morgan had ample opportunity to say something to make me think he is not blinded by his hatred of the "moneyball" concept.

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