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Breaking the Bonds
2005-03-23 12:54
by Mike Carminati
I am tired of a life of contention, and of being the personal object for the hatred of every man, who hates the present state of things.
—Thomas "Reggie" Jefferson in a letter to his daughter

Farewell! thou art too dear for my possessing,
And like enough thou know’st thy estimate:
The charter of thy worth gives thee releasing;
My bonds in thee are all determinate.

—William "Author" Shakespeare—Get it? Bonds?

Barry Bonds, as you've probably heard, suffered a setback in rehabilitating his knee, requiring additional surgery, and now may miss the entire season. Bonds though is blaming the press—"I'm tired of my kids crying. You wanted me to jump off a bridge, I finally did. You finally brought me and my family down. ... So now go pick a different person."—as well as Lili Von Shtupp-esque, excessive ennui.

Given the BALCO situation and Congess's interest in the soft issue of steroids, some will speculate that the steroids had something to do with his situation. Certainly, the media's coverage of that subject is one of the major reasons that Bonds feels picked on. What else the juice has to do with Bonds' lack of vim is pure speculation—like that would stop anyone from speculating.

If Bonds does miss the entire 2005 season, what are the odds he could come back next season at age 41?

Well, 36 men have been out of the majors for at least a year after turning 40 and have returned. A few did it more than once, and Nick Altrock made four post-40 "comebacks". Of course, more than a handful of these were more gimmicks (Minnie Minoso?) than actual comebacks. Popular ex-players who had retired or turned to coaching would often have their careers momentarily revivified for a few games in September. However, John Franco, Tim Raines, and Julio Franco have all done it in the last five years and have played significant roles subsequently.

Here's the complete list:

NameLast Yr before breakReturn Yr
Al Benton19501952
Al Simmons19411943
Al Todd19411943
Arlie Latham18991909
Bert Blyleven19901992
Bert Campaneris19811983
Bill Donovan19161918
Billy Sullivan19141916
Bobo Newsom19481952
Bucky Walters19481950
Clark Griffith19101912
Deacon McGuire19081910
Deacon McGuire19101912
Diomedes Olivo19601962
Earle Brucker19401943
Fred Jacklitsch19151917
Germany Schaefer19161918
Grover Hartley19301934
Hughie Jennings19091912
Hughie Jennings19121918
Jim O'Rourke18931904
Jimmy Austin19231925
Jimmy Austin19261929
John Franco20012003
Johnny Evers19221929
Johnny Riddle19451948
Julio Franco19992001
Kaiser Wilhelm19151921
Kid Gleason19081912
Lena Blackburne19271929
Manny Mota19801982
Minnie Minoso19641976
Minnie Minoso19761980
Nick Altrock19191924
Nick Altrock19241929
Nick Altrock19291931
Nick Altrock19311933
Patsy Donovan19041906
Rabbit Maranville19331935
Rick Ferrell19451947
Satchel Paige19491951
Satchel Paige19531965
Ted Lyons19421946
Tim Raines19992001

Now, here are the men who played a significant role after the post-40 break (at least 50 games in another season after returning):

NameLast Yr before breakReturn Yr
Bert Campaneris19811983
Diomedes Olivo19601962
John Franco20012004
Julio Franco19992002
Satchel Paige19491951
Tim Raines19992001

Paige and John Franco were, of course, pitchers. So was Diomedes Olivo, who was a rookie in 1960 at age 40. That leaves two middle infielders and Raines.

Campy had a brief comeback with the '83 Yankees, batting .322 in 142 at-bats.

Julio Franco came back from after playing just one major-league game over three years to become the Braves' mostly starting first baseman for the past three seasons.

Raines took a year off recovering from Lupus and trying out for the Olympic team at age 40. Then came back to play significant time with the 2001 Expos. Then he was sent to Baltimore to finish the year and play four games with his son. He followed that with a season as a bench player in Florida.

That does not inspire a lot of confidence in a Bonds comeback in 2006. Bonds is a unique player but a year off at his age is hard to recover from.

Let's assume that Bonds's career is at an end. Has anyone been nearly as good in his last five seasons as Bonds was from 2000-2004? First, He had 258 home runs.

Here are all the players with at 125 homers over their final five seasons:

NameFinal YRHR
Barry Bonds2004258
Mark McGwire2001254
Albert Belle2000187
Ralph Kiner1955154
Dave Kingman1986150
Babe Ruth1935149
Lou Gehrig1939145
Frank Howard1973140
Darrell Evans1989136
Jose Canseco2001134
Al Rosen1956131
Cecil Fielder1998128
Ted Williams1960127
Roy Campanella1957125

McGwire is right on Bonds's heals at 254. Of course, both had a 70-homer year in their last five. The surprise on the list is Rosen who was done at 32, a year younger than Belle.

How does he rate in the ratio leaders in their last five years?

Let's start with batting average. Here are the top dozen (min. 2000 PA):

NameFinal YrBAOBPSLUGOPS
Ed Delahanty1903.364.428.525.953
Zack Wheat1927.349.395.497.892
Ty Cobb1928.348.427.490.917
Lefty O'Doul1934.345.410.527.937
Joe Jackson1920.345.409.505.915
Bill Lange1899.341.408.477.886
Dave Orr1890.341.369.484.853
Bill Terry1936.340.387.479.866
Barry Bonds2004.339.535.7811.316
Jake Stenzel1899.335.402.459.861
Ted Williams1960.333.465.6081.074
Tris Speaker1928.332.417.492.909

So Bonds is just ninth here just ahead of the legendary Jake Stenzel. (Though you should check out Stenzel's 1894 season; it's pretty impressive.) Bonds, however, is the best in almost seventy years. The leader, Big Ed Delahanty, fell to his death at Niagara Falls under suspicious circumstances in the middle of his last season at the ripe old age of 35.

Bonds fairs a bit better in the ratios. First, OBP:

NameFinal YrBAOBPSLUGOPS
Barry Bonds2004.339.535.7811.316
Babe Ruth1935.324.466.6201.086
Ted Williams1960.333.465.6081.074
Lou Gehrig1939.330.455.6061.061
Billy Hamilton1901.332.450.399.849
Bill Joyce1898.310.444.497.941
Ferris Fain1955.302.431.403.834
Ed Delahanty1903.364.428.525.953
Ty Cobb1928.348.427.490.917
Max Bishop1935.275.427.372.799
Eddie Stanky1953.275.424.373.796
Mark McGwire2001.272.420.6741.094

Now slugging:

NameFinal YrBAOBPSLUGOPS
Barry Bonds2004.339.535.7811.316
Mark McGwire2001.272.420.6741.094
Babe Ruth1935.324.466.6201.086
Ted Williams1960.333.465.6081.074
Lou Gehrig1939.330.455.6061.061
Albert Belle2000.298.378.557.935
Joe DiMaggio1951.307.397.546.943
Jack Fournier1927.328.412.530.942
Hack Wilson1934.297.392.529.921
Lefty O'Doul1934.345.410.527.937
Ed Delahanty1903.364.428.525.953
Ralph Kiner1955.275.396.521.917

Finally, OPS:

NameFinal YrBAOBPSLUGOPS
Barry Bonds2004.339.535.7811.316
Mark McGwire2001.272.420.6741.094
Babe Ruth1935.324.466.6201.086
Ted Williams1960.333.465.6081.074
Lou Gehrig1939.330.455.6061.061
Ed Delahanty1903.364.428.525.953
Joe DiMaggio1951.307.397.546.943
Jack Fournier1927.328.412.530.942
Bill Joyce1898.310.444.497.941
Lefty O'Doul1934.345.410.527.937
Albert Belle2000.298.378.557.935
Hack Wilson1934.297.392.529.921

Three out of four aint bad. Bonds's last five years tops anyone else's. I just hope that they really aren't his final five years. However, suddenly, Bonds capturing the career home run record, which everyone had assumed was a foregone conclusion, seems a rather remote possibility.

Comments
2005-03-23 22:54:46
1.   chiefpedro
Well, Mike, not actually on the topic here but I didn´t know where to put it:

I was wondering if you got the email that I sent to the support email at your new blogs home (I couldn´t find any other email)?

2005-03-24 05:24:10
2.   Mike Carminati
Yeah, I just got forwarded to me yesteday. We are still working on the site, and sidebars with links to other sites and to our email are next.

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