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3K and Hall to Go
2007-09-04 09:55
by Mike Carminati

The big story was that Pedro Martinez returned from a season-long disabled list stint, pitched the Mets to a win, and increased their lead to five games over the rapidly decelerating Phillies. The small story was that Martinez became the fifteenth pitcher in major-league history to register three thousand strikeouts.

I'm left wondering whether the oft-injured Martinez has now reached a milestone that ensures his enshrinement in Cooperstown, if he was already assured a Hall of Fame plaque, or if he will ever be able to the milestones Hall voters look for to make it to the Hall.

Of the ten 3000-K pitchers eligible for the Hall, all but Bert Blyleven have made it and Blyleven is still on the cusp on the writers' ballot. Of the ineligibles, 300-G winners Roger Clemens and Greg Maddux are locks, but Randy Johnson and to a lesser degree Curt Schilling have strong cases. Here are all the 3000-K pitchers (all stats but Pedro's are through 2006):

PitcherWLPCTGIPBBSOHof?
Bert Blyleven287250.534692 4,970.0 13223701
Steve Carlton329244.574741 5,217.3 183341361994
Roger Clemens348178.662691 4,817.7 15494604Inelig
Bob Gibson251174.591528 3,884.3 133631171981
Fergie Jenkins284226.557664 4,500.7 99731921991
Randy Johnson280147.656556 3,798.7 14094544Inelig
Walter Johnson417279.599802 5,914.7 136335091936
Greg Maddux333203.621677 4,616.3 9443169Inelig
Phil Niekro318274.537864 5,404.3 180933421997
Gaylord Perry314265.542777 5,350.3 137935341991
Nolan Ryan324292.526807 5,386.0 279557141999
Curt Schilling207138.600545 3,110.0 6883015Inelig
Tom Seaver311205.603656 4,782.7 139036401992
Don Sutton324256.559774 5,282.3 134335741998
Pedro Martinez20792.692443 2,650.7 7043002Inelig

Now, Pedro has some unusual numbers for a 3000-K pitcher. He Is tied for third least career wins for a pitcher in the year in which he notched his 3000th K:

PitcherYrWLGBBSO
Nolan Ryan198017816943117443109
Randy Johnson20001799536610893040
Curt Schilling20062071385456883015
Pedro Martinez2007207924437043002

He has the second least innings pitched:

PitcherYrWLGIPBBSO
Randy Johnson200017995366 2,498.7 10893040
Pedro Martinez200720792443 2,650.7 7043002
Nolan Ryan1980178169431 2,925.0 17443109
Curt Schilling2006207138545 3,110.0 6883015
Roger Clemens1998233124450 3,274.7 10123153

He has the second least walks:

PitcherYrWLGIPBBSO
Curt Schilling2006207138545 3,110.0 6883015
Pedro Martinez200720792443 2,650.7 7043002
Greg Maddux2005318189643 4,406.3 9073052
Fergie Jenkins1982278217631 4,333.3 9513096
Roger Clemens1998233124450 3,274.7 10123153
Bert Blyleven1986229197541 3,987.7 10723090
Tom Seaver1981259143504 3,788.7 10743075
Randy Johnson200017995366 2,498.7 10893040

What can we expect for the rest of Martinez's career? I took a look at the 43 previous pitchers who had won 200 games by the age of 35 and averaged out their career form that point forward. On average they won 49 games and lost 39 in 127 games and 779 innings with 215 walks and 423 strikeouts. Here's Pedro's projected stats using those averages along with his current career stats:

PitcherYrAgeWLPCTGIPBBSO
Pedro Martinez20073520792.692443 2,650.7 7043002
Pedro Martinez--proj 256131.6615703429.39193425

Those are impressive numbers (especially the .661 winning percentage), but 256 wins don't necessarily add up to a plaque in Cooperstown. There are a good deal of pitchers in that range that don't get the Hall call. Twelve of the twenty-one pitchers with 250 to 299 career wins have been inducted into the Hall, and one (Randy Johnson) is not yet eligible. Those are a little better than 50-50 odds.

So what, if anything, separates Martinez from the pack? Or maybe the question is what links Martinez to the group that made it into the Hall?

I compared the 21 pitchers with 250-299 wins and looked at the most strikeouts in the group. Martinez's projected career numbers rank third and of the top six all but Blyleven (again) are in the Hall:

PitcherWLPCTGIPBBSOHof?
Randy Johnson280147.656556 3,798.7 14094544Inelig
Bert Blyleven287250.534692 4,970.0 13223701
Pedro Martinez--proj256131.6615703429.39193425Inelig
Fergie Jenkins284226.557664 4,500.7 99731921991
Bob Gibson251174.591528 3,884.3 133631171981
Bob Feller266162.621570 3,827.0 176425811962

The top five eligible in the group with the best winning percentage are in the Hall as well. Martinez projects to second on this list. (Note that Spalding went in as an executive very likely would have made it as a player.):

PitcherWLPCTGIPBBSOHof?
Al Spalding25365.796347 2,890.7 1561421939
Pedro Martinez--proj256131.6615703429.39193425Inelig
Randy Johnson280147.656556 3,798.7 14094544Inelig
Jim Palmer268152.638558 3,948.0 131122121990
Carl Hubbell253154.622535 3,590.3 72516771947
Bob Feller266162.621570 3,827.0 176425811962
Bob Gibson251174.591528 3,884.3 133631171981
Jack Morris254186.577549 3,824.0 13902478
Tony Mullane284220.563555 4,531.3 14081803
Burleigh Grimes270212.560616 4,180.0 129515121964

So what's the verdict? A reasonable twilight to his career would make him pretty much a lock for the Hall. Right now, he stands a Sandy Koufax-like outlier with a compelling argument for the Hall. Three Cy Young Awards are hard to ignore. He also does extremely well using Bill James' Hall of Fame standards (from Baseball Reference):

Black Ink: Pitching - 55 (22) (Average HOFer ≈ 40)

Gray Ink: Pitching - 215 (31) (Average HOFer ≈ 185)

HOF Standards: Pitching - 59.0 (18) (Average HOFer ≈ 50)

HOF Monitor: Pitching - 193.5 (23) (Likely HOFer > 100)

Of the ten similar pitchers to Martinez through age 34, six are already in the Hall (Grove, Ford, Gibson, Marichal, Bender, and Bunning), two will be (Clemens and Maddux) and two are longshots at best (Gooden and Mussina), which speaks to how well his career yet far fits the Hall of Fame mold. However, looking at similar pitchers for their entire career, just three (Koufax—surprise!—, Bender, and Chesbro) are in the Hall and just one other appears to have a decent shot of making it (Schilling; the rest are Caruthers, Gooden, Guidry, Leever, Mays, and Cone).

So Martinez appears to be a Hall of Famer but a good deal comes down to perception. You could make a strong argument for his being the best pitcher in the game from 1997 to 2003. Outside of that he was very good if oft-injured pitcher. Is that enough? Right now it looks like it. But in a game where Sammy Sosa with six hundred homers is not a lock for the Hall, nothing is certain. I'm not accusing Martinez of steroid use , but perception can always change and there are at least six years for the fickle voters' minds to change.

Comments
2007-09-04 11:42:23
1.   Disabled List
There is no statistical formula that guarantees inclusion to the Hall of Fame. All the talk of numerical thresholds and outliers obscures the main point: Was he one of the best of the best?

That's why Koufax is in. He's no outlier. He was one of the game's elite, by far. And that's why Pedro doesn't just "stand a good chance" to get in, he's a cast-iron lock.

2007-09-04 12:00:04
2.   Joshua Worley
You could knock me over with the shadow of a feather if Pedro didn't get into the hall of fame. I think he was a lock after 2003.

Anytime you are clearly the best pitcher in the game for at least a five year stretch ( like Koufax ) you're getting into the Hall of Fame easily on the first ballot, regardless of the career totals.

When guys like Blyleven don't get into the hall, it's because of guys like Pedro. "Blyleven was never dominant, like Pedro or Koufax." That sort of thing. "Good, but not great." There's no doubt that Pedro was great.

2007-09-04 22:54:58
3.   Hugh Jorgan
I agree with the first two posts. He's got to be a lock. 6 years of total domination and the fact that his peripherals amongst the 200+ win group are oustanding. His K/9 innings rate, his K/BB ratio are both ridiculous. Besides, and I know its not very sabermetric, but anyone who saw this guy pitch from 1997-2003 knew they were witnessing brilliance.

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