Baseball Toaster Mike's Baseball Rants
Help
This is my site with my opinions, but I hope that, like Irish Spring, you like it, too.
Frozen Toast
Search
Google Search
Web
Toaster
Mike's Baseball Rants
Archives

2009
01 

2008
10  09  07 
06  05  04  03 

2007
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2006
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2005
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2004
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2003
12  11  10  09  08  07 
06  05  04  03  02  01 

2002
12  11  10  09  08  07 
Links to MBBR
Curt Schilling, Baseball Fascist
2006-08-31 18:29
by Mike Carminati
Crash Davis (advising Nuke LaLoosh): Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
— Bull Durham

Curt Schilling in a losing effort last night joined the prestigious 3000-strikeout club, becoming its fourteenth member. In the process he probably hit a big enough career number to earn, with the help of his two rings each with different teams, a plaque in Cooperstown.

Mind you, I don't know if I would rush to put the 206-win late bloomer in the Hall, but I think the baseball writers will.

He becomes the fourth active pitcher to strike out three thousand batters joining Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, and Greg Maddux. Pedro Martinez, who is awaiting Ernesto to leave Florida to start rehabbing, is just 14 Ks short of joining the club.

There haven't been five active 3000-K pitchers in almost twenty years. In 1987 five 3000-K pitchers—Bert Blyleven (3286), Don Sutton (3530), Nolan Ryan (4547), Phil Niekro (3342), and Steve Carlton (4131)—were active. By 1992, just (Ryan and Blyleven) were still active. From 1994 to 1997, there were no 3000-K pitchers in baseball.

Two years saw the highest number of active 3000-K members, six. The first was 1983 (Don Sutton, Fergie Jenkins, Gaylord Perry, Nolan Ryan, Steve Carlton, and Tom Seaver) and the second was 1986 (with Tom Seaver joining the 1987 list above).

By the way, here's the first list of 300-K club members with soon-to-be anointed Martinez:

NameK
Nolan Ryan5714
Roger Clemens4575
Randy Johnson4509
Steve Carlton4136
Bert Blyleven3701
Tom Seaver3640
Don Sutton3574
Gaylord Perry3534
Walter Johnson3509
Phil Niekro3342
Fergie Jenkins3192
Greg Maddux3151
Bob Gibson3117
Curt Schilling3003
Pedro Martinez2986

Unfortunately, there are not that many pitchers beyond Martinez who have a good shot of joining the club. The 39-year-old John Smoltz is next at 2743. Beyond that it looks like we are going to have as long a wait as we did after the waning mid-Eighties classes started to retire.

Here are the active pitchers who meet or exceed the strikeout totals for the average 300-K club member by the given pitcher's age. Note that this is based on the career totals through 2005, but I include the 2006 numbers. Two pitchers (Vazquez and Greinke) are falling short of the necessary totals in 2006, though Vazquez should catch up:

Name2005 Age2005K KbyAge 2006K Kby NextYr
Pedro Martinez332861 2,327 2986 2,489
Javier Vazquez281418 1,353 1543 1,561
C.C. Sabathia24761 542 899 714
Carlos Zambrano24655 542 842 714
Jake Peavy24635 542 809 714
Mark Prior24719 542 757 714
Dontrelle Willis23451 400 577 542
Oliver Perez23571 400 639 542
Jeremy Bonderman22421 300 593 400
Scott Kazmir21215 195 378 300
Zack Greinke21214 195 214 300
Felix Hernandez1977 71 221 128

[By the way, about the title: I just wanted to work in the right's favorite buzzword of late. I always love to quote Rummy the Dummy.]

Comments
2006-08-31 18:53:03
1.   ToyCannon
It didn't help Bert's HOF chances to have 3000 K's. Still hard to believe that the pitcher with the 5th most K's in history is still on the outside looking in. Proves to me that the people who write about baseball know very little about baseball.
2006-08-31 18:56:02
2.   scareduck
If you're not with us, you're with the Yankees!
2006-08-31 18:57:26
3.   scareduck
Oh, and 3000K is also the color temperature of a 100W tungsten light bulb:

http://www.sizes.com/units/color_temperature.htm

I'm not sure how that's relevant, but it's awfully white.

2006-08-31 19:07:18
4.   Bluebleeder87
C.C. Sabathia 24 761 542 899 714

needs to lose some weight to be taken serious.

2006-08-31 19:08:55
5.   Bluebleeder87
Carlos Zambrano 24 655 542 842 714

great fastball with movement. i hope he has a good work ethic.

2006-08-31 19:09:51
6.   Bluebleeder87
Jake Peavy 24 635 542 809 714

nasty stuff, but like alot of baseball toasters, his arm angle screams out injury.

2006-08-31 19:10:44
7.   Bluebleeder87
i can go on & on by the way. :o)
2006-08-31 19:13:03
8.   Bluebleeder87
Nolan Ryan 5714

freak of nature i'm glad i got to see him live.

2006-09-01 09:54:09
9.   rbj
Sadly, I don't think Prior has a chance. Too many trips to the DL.
2006-09-05 06:09:52
10.   PhillyJ
Schilling certainly is an interesting case but I think he gets in. Lets project that he gets 225 wins and 3600 strikeouts...low win total, strong relative ERA numbers and a high strikeout total...more than the wins, a big knock against is no CYA'...

However, while the low(er) win total and no CYA's are significant I think he gets in (and would get my vote) because he is one of the greatest postseason pitchers of all time...look at the numbers (which I know you have) - the only other guys with similar #'s are HOF guys...

2006-09-05 08:59:06
11.   screwballin
Wonder how many of those CYAs Schilling lost to Pedro, Clemens, Maddux and the Unit? No shame in being the bridesmaid to anyone in that group, and I hope the voters take that into account. He just got born at the wrong time.

Comment status: comments have been closed. Baseball Toaster is now out of business.