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What the A's? Doubting Thomas?
2006-01-26 17:32
by Mike Carminati

Yesterday Frank Thomas signed a one-year, $500K deal with the A's, switching teams after 16 seasons with White Sox. The question with Thomas is his health. His last full season was 2003. He has played a total of 108 games in the last two years though he remains productive when healthy (151 and 131 adjusted OPS's in 2004 and 2005 respectively).

As Alan Schwarz writes, Thomas, if healthy and, "Depending on the money, that's a valuable player. My guess is that any hurt that Thomas inflicts in '06 will be more on opponents, particularly those who passed on him, than his employers."

I know that White Sox have both Paul Konerko and Jim Thome to cover the DH/1B spots, but it's a shame that a future Hall of Famer with 16 years in Chicago couldn't finish his career there. I remember when I was a young whippersnapper that the serious rumors swirled that the Phils were about to trade Mike Schmidt to the Cards (shades of Rolen?). Of course, the deal never happened, and Schmitty finished his career a Phil, but there's a parallel universe somewhere in which Michael Jack ended up in St. Louis and Schrodinger's cat is still alive, and there Schmidt's image is tarnished, at least in Philly, and so is the Phils', though their image is so sullied that they could soak in Tarnex as long as Madge and it wouldn't matter. At least Thomas got a ring in Chicago.

Thomas's departure made me wonder how many other players had left their first team after at least 16 seasons to start off fresh elsewhere. The two that came to mind were Ty Cobb, who became a good luck charm for Connie Mack's team, and Dewey Evans, the long-time Red Sox player who ended his career with the O's.

Here's the full list. Keep in mind that the player has to be active for those first 16 years. I, however, did include those players who served in the military during his stint with the first club:

NameRookie YrTeamYr2TeamYrsTPABAOBPSLUGOPS
Ty Cobb1905DET1927PHA22574.357.440.482.921
Phil Cavarretta1934CHN1954CHA20188.316.417.411.829
Dwight Evans1972BOS1991BAL19329.270.393.378.771
Gabby Hartnett1922CHN1941NYG19165.300.356.433.789
Sam Rice1915WS11934CLE19367.293.351.364.715
Yogi Berra1946NYY1965NYM199.222.222.222.444
Joe Judge1915WS11933BRO18247.255.317.318.635
Zack Wheat1909BRO1927PHA18276.324.379.393.772
Hank Greenberg1930DET1947PIT17510.249.408.478.885
Jim Hegan1941CLE1958DET17203.201.256.280.537
Mark Belanger1965BAL1982LAD1757.240.309.260.569
Ray Schalk1912CHA1929NYG172.000.000.000.000
Frank Thomas1990CHA2006OAK16

The only players who has substantial roles with the new clubs were Greenberg, Cobb, Rice, and Evans. Though they all had longer stints with their first club than Thomas.

By the way, Cobb's 22-year gap between switching major-league teams is not the longest in baseball history. Paul Schreiber came up with the Brooklyn Robins in 1922, played the next season, and then disappeared for another 22 years until the wartime Yankees let him pitch two games and 4.1 innings in 1945. Oddly, he was the third youngest player in baseball in 1922 (19 years old) and in 1923 (20), and in his next season, 1945, he was the oldest player in the game (42).

Here are the other players who took 16 seasons to play for his second team but didn't play continually for his first team before switching:

NameRookie YrTeamYr2TeamYrsTPABAOBPSLUGOPS
Paul Schreiber1922BRO1945NYY231.000.000.000.000
Ralph Winegarner1930CLE1949SLA196.400.5001.0001.500
Clay Touchstone1928BSN1945CHA171.000.000.000.000
Joe Nuxhall1944CIN1961KCA1776.292.352.446.798
Warren Cromartie1974MON1991KC17148.313.381.420.801

Cromartie went to Japan in the middle of his career, and Nuxhall came up as a 15-year-old with the Reds in 1944 but they kept him in the minors until 1952.

Comments
2006-01-26 18:01:27
1.   das411
Does Willie Mays not make this list because you count the NY to SF move as "switching teams"?
2006-01-26 20:47:02
2.   Jose Habib
Yeah, I thought of Mays too. Also didn't Pete Rose play 16 years for the Reds (63-78) before going to Philly?
2006-01-27 08:17:32
3.   Murray
Mike, I don't think Schreiber disappeared--he spent many years as the Yankees' batting practice pitcher in the late 1930s. Once the army claimed Spud Chandler, Tiny Bonham, and the rest of the 1-As, Schreiber was the sort of 4-F who manned pitching staffs throughout baseball.
2006-01-27 11:19:30
4.   Mike Carminati
OK, (re. Rose) a subquery was looking for 17+ years, not 16+, and the original SQL was based on team, not franchise, id (re. Mays). I modified it and the following players shook out as well. I will update the tables above tonight:

Warren Spahn, 23 yrs (MIL-ATL)
Hank Aaron,21(MIL-ATL)
Willie Mays, 21 (NYG-SFG)
Harmon Killebrew, 21 (WAS-MIN)
Phil Niekro, 20 (MIL-ATL)
Elmer Valo, 17 (PHI-KC A's)
Billy Williams, 16
Duke Snider, 16
Christy Mathewson, 16
Enos Slaughter, 16
Harry Heilmann, 16
Max Carey, 16
Pete Rose, 16
Tom Glavine, 16

Murray, Re. Paul Schreiber, I wasn't aware of that. Sort of a less crazy Charlie Faust, eh?

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