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The Return of Son of the Pitcher-Manager

2006-11-09 21:50

by Mike Carminati

After years as a pitching coach, Bud Black today got a well-deserved chance to manage, winning the Padres job that Bruce Bochy just vacated. He becomes the fiftieth pitcher cum manager in baseball history and the first in six seasons. Black also becomes just the 28th pitcher with at least 100 wins to manage.

Oddly, the ex-pitcher/manager died a quick death in 2001 when three managers, Larry Dierker, Larry Rothschild, and Joe Kerrigan all lost their jobs. There have only been 15 pitcher-managers since 1964:

Manager	G	W	L	PCT	#Yrs	First	Last
Larry Dierker	810	448	362	.553	5	1997	2001
Larry Rothschild	499	205	294	.411	4	1998	2001
Joe Kerrigan	43	17	26	.395	1	2001	2001
Mel Queen	5	4	1	.800	1	1997	1997
Tommy Lasorda	3041	1599	1439	.526	21	1976	1996
Dallas Green	932	454	478	.487	8	1979	1996
Marcel Lachemann	331	161	170	.486	3	1994	1996
Phil Regan	144	71	73	.493	1	1995	1995
Roger Craig	1475	738	737	.500	10	1978	1992
George Bamberger	936	458	478	.489	7	1978	1986
Bob Lemon	833	430	403	.516	9	1970	1982
Clyde King	464	234	229	.505	5	1969	1982
Lum Harris	956	466	488	.488	8	1961	1972
Fred Hutchinson	1666	830	827	.501	13	1952	1964
Ed Lopat	214	90	124	.421	2	1963	1964

Tommy Lasorda leads all pitcher-managers in managerial wins. Only 18 such managers won at least 161 games in their managerial careers:

Manager	G	W	L	PCT	#Yrs	First	Last
Tommy Lasorda	3041	1599	1439	.526	21	1976	1996
Clark Griffith	2918	1491	1367	.522	20	1901	1920
Fred Hutchinson	1666	830	827	.501	13	1952	1964
Roger Craig	1475	738	737	.500	10	1978	1992
Walter Johnson	966	529	432	.550	7	1929	1935
Fred Mitchell	1044	494	543	.476	7	1917	1923
Lum Harris	956	466	488	.488	8	1961	1972
George Bamberger	936	458	478	.489	7	1978	1986
Dallas Green	932	454	478	.487	8	1979	1996
Larry Dierker	810	448	362	.553	5	1997	2001
Eddie Dyer	777	446	325	.578	5	1946	1950
Bob Lemon	833	430	403	.516	9	1970	1982
Bill Donovan	552	245	301	.449	4	1915	1921
Clyde King	464	234	229	.505	5	1969	1982
Larry Rothschild	499	205	294	.411	4	1998	2001
Ted Lyons	434	185	245	.430	3	1946	1948
Christy Mathewson	346	164	176	.482	3	1916	1918
Marcel Lachemann	331	161	170	.486	3	1994	1996
Dick McBride	252	161	85	.654	5	1871	1875

only 17 managers won at least 200 games in their pitching careers:

Manager	G	W	L	PCT	#Yrs	First	Last	P W	P L
Cy Young	6	3	3	.500	1	1907	1907	511	316
Walter Johnson	966	529	432	.550	7	1929	1935	417	279
Christy Mathewson	346	164	176	.482	3	1916	1918	373	188
Pud Galvin	24	7	17	.292	1	1885	1885	364	310
Kid Nichols	169	80	88	.476	2	1904	1905	361	208
Burleigh Grimes	306	131	171	.434	2	1937	1938	270	212
Jim McCormick	171	74	96	.435	3	1879	1882	265	214
Ted Lyons	434	185	245	.430	3	1946	1948	260	230
Al Spalding	126	78	47	.624	2	1876	1877	253	65
Mordecai Brown	114	50	63	.442	1	1914	1914	239	130
Clark Griffith	2918	1491	1367	.522	20	1901	1920	237	146
Tommy Bond	6	2	4	.333	1	1882	1882	234	163
Charlie Buffinton	116	61	54	.530	1	1890	1890	233	152
Will White	72	44	27	.620	1	1884	1884	229	166
Mel Harder	3	3	0	1.000	2	1961	1962	223	186
Freddie Fitzsimmons	288	105	181	.367	3	1943	1945	217	146
Bob Lemon	833	430	403	.516	9	1970	1982	207	128

Black hopes to become the 11th man in baseball history to 100 games as a pitcher and as a manager:

Manager	G	W	L	PCT	#Yrs	First	Last	P W	P L
Bill Donovan	552	245	301	.449	4	1915	1921	186	139
Bob Lemon	833	430	403	.516	9	1970	1982	207	128
Burleigh Grimes	306	131	171	.434	2	1937	1938	270	212
Christy Mathewson	346	164	176	.482	3	1916	1918	373	188
Clark Griffith	2918	1491	1367	.522	20	1901	1920	237	146
Dick McBride	252	161	85	.654	5	1871	1875	149	78
Freddie Fitzsimmons	288	105	181	.367	3	1943	1945	217	146
Larry Dierker	810	448	362	.553	5	1997	2001	139	123
Ted Lyons	434	185	245	.430	3	1946	1948	260	230
Walter Johnson	966	529	432	.550	7	1929	1935	417	279

Black probably has a low chance of joining the exclusive list of managers that won at least 500 wins as a pitcher and a manager combined:

Manager	G	W	L	#Yrs	First	Last	P W	P L	Tot W	Tot L	PCT
Clark Griffith	2918	1491	1367	20	1901	1920	237	146	1728	1513	.533
Tommy Lasorda	3041	1599	1439	21	1976	1996	0	4	1599	1443	.526
Walter Johnson	966	529	432	7	1929	1935	417	279	946	711	.571
Fred Hutchinson	1666	830	827	13	1952	1964	95	71	925	898	.507
Roger Craig	1475	738	737	10	1978	1992	74	98	812	835	.493
Bob Lemon	833	430	403	9	1970	1982	207	128	637	531	.545
Larry Dierker	810	448	362	5	1997	2001	139	123	587	485	.548
Christy Mathewson	346	164	176	3	1916	1918	373	188	537	364	.596
Fred Mitchell	1044	494	543	7	1917	1923	31	49	525	592	.470
Cy Young	6	3	3	1	1907	1907	511	316	514	319	.617
Lum Harris	956	466	488	8	1961	1972	35	63	501	551	.476
Dallas Green	932	454	478	8	1979	1996	20	22	474	500	.487
Eddie Dyer	777	446	325	5	1946	1950	15	15	461	340	.576
George Bamberger	936	458	478	7	1978	1986	0	0	458	478	.489

Comments

2006-11-09 21:52:23

1. jakewoods

i dont trust pitching coaches as managers.

go with catchers

2006-11-09 21:55:16

2. Bluebleeder87

I only trust Tommy & Roger Craig.

2006-11-09 22:02:18

3. Mike Carminati

Don't trust Dallas Green. He'll jump ship, become a GM for another team, and pry a prospect from your minor-league system as a throw-in in a trade who'll become a Hall of Famer (e.g., Ryne Sandberg). Then he'll return and impose Gary Varsho as your bench coach.

2006-11-13 23:16:55

4. das411

And bitch out your gold glove 3B in the process...

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