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Cub Your Enthusiasm
2006-05-30 22:21
by Mike Carminati

It seems that the intrigue surrounding the Cubs is down to when Dusty Baker will get his walking papers. I received this email earlier today:

Hi Mike,

I don't know if you have this kind of data available to you, but with the Cubs spending gobs of money for an offense barely better than the Kansas City Royals, I was curious what the worst ratio of money spent on payroll to wins in a season is. At this pace, I imagine the Cubs might top the list, but I don't know of a good way to find out on my own. Also, if you found out the best money spent/win ratio that'd be interesting too, accouting for inflation of course (I'd guess that the '05 Indians and the Moneyball A's of the early '00s are up there).

Thanks and keep up the great work,

Mike Jansen

Do I have the data available? I'm lousy with it.

I ran the historical numbers. That was a snap, but then I added in the numbers for this season based on the USA Today's payroll data and the projected records for all teams (based on the standings as of Monday night). Keep in mind that the payrolls may grow as the season progresses.

The Cubs are pretty bad, but can't compare to the Yankees of late. The Yankees have been good, but their spending outstrips their on-field success when it comes to this sort of analysis. I don't think the Boss minds much. Here are the numbers for the most extravagant based on overall dollars per win (by which I hereby risk ticking off two sets of people with whom I share this site):

YrTeam Total payroll W $ per W
2005New York Yankees $208,306,817 95 $2,192,703
2006New York Yankees $194,663,079 96 $2,030,330
2004New York Yankees $184,193,950 101 $1,823,702
2003New York Mets $116,876,429 66 $1,770,855
2006Chicago Cubs $ 94,424,499 62 $1,533,861
2003New York Yankees $152,749,814 101 $1,512,374
2006Los Angeles Angels $103,472,000 70 $1,480,660
2002Texas Rangers $105,526,122 72 $1,465,641
2003Texas Rangers $103,491,667 71 $1,457,629
2004Arizona Diamondbacks $ 69,780,750 51 $1,368,250
2004New York Mets $ 96,660,970 71 $1,361,422
2001Boston Red Sox $110,035,833 82 $1,341,900
2006Seattle Mariners $ 87,959,833 67 $1,308,045
2005Boston Red Sox $123,505,125 95 $1,300,054
2004Boston Red Sox $127,298,500 98 $1,298,964
2004Seattle Mariners $ 81,515,834 63 $1,293,902
2005Seattle Mariners $ 87,754,334 69 $1,271,802
2001Los Angeles Dodgers $109,105,953 86 $1,268,674
2002New York Mets $ 94,633,593 75 $1,261,781
2003Los Angeles Dodgers $105,572,620 85 $1,242,031
2002New York Yankees $125,928,583 103 $1,222,608
2005New York Mets $101,305,821 83 $1,220,552
2001Texas Rangers $ 88,633,500 73 $1,214,158
2006Boston Red Sox $120,099,824 99 $1,210,883
2005San Francisco Giants $ 90,199,500 75 $1,202,660
2006Kansas City Royals $ 47,294,000 40 $1,192,081

I had to extend the list to get this year's Royals in there.

You'll note that there are no teams before 2001 on the list. So have teams just discovered overpaying for talent in the last five years or are we biased by the ever-inflating salaries in the majors? I think it's the latter.

I adjusted the payrolls based on the major-league average for the given season (actually, the average salary per player based on 25-man roster). Last year's Yanks still top the list:

YrTeam Total payroll W $ per W Avg per 25 $ per W Adj
2005New York Yankees $208,306,817 95 $2,192,703 $2,918,285 0.7514
1995Toronto Blue Jays $ 50,590,000 56 $ 903,393 $1,359,242 0.6646
2004New York Yankees $184,193,950 101 $1,823,702 $2,760,888 0.6605
2006New York Yankees $194,663,079 96 $2,030,330 $3,102,276 0.6545
2003New York Mets $116,876,429 66 $1,770,855 $2,837,683 0.6240
1994Toronto Blue Jays $ 43,433,668 55 $ 789,703 $1,325,480 0.5958
1994Detroit Tigers $ 41,446,501 53 $ 782,009 $1,325,480 0.5900
1994San Francisco Giants $ 42,638,666 55 $ 775,248 $1,325,480 0.5849
1992Los Angeles Dodgers $ 44,788,166 63 $ 710,923 $1,239,297 0.5737
1994Chicago Cubs $ 36,287,333 49 $ 740,558 $1,325,480 0.5587
1987Atlanta Braves $ 16,544,560 69 $ 239,776 $ 434,911 0.5513
1994Atlanta Braves $ 49,383,513 68 $ 726,228 $1,325,480 0.5479
2002Texas Rangers $105,526,122 72 $1,465,641 $2,698,770 0.5431
1988Baltimore Orioles $ 13,532,075 54 $ 250,594 $ 462,081 0.5423
1998Baltimore Orioles $ 72,355,634 79 $ 915,894 $1,704,377 0.5374
2003New York Yankees $152,749,814 101 $1,512,374 $2,837,683 0.5330
1994Boston Red Sox $ 37,859,084 54 $ 701,094 $1,325,480 0.5289
1999Los Angeles Dodgers $ 80,862,453 77 $1,050,162 $1,992,305 0.5271
1986Chicago Cubs $ 17,208,165 70 $ 245,831 $ 473,674 0.5190
1999Baltimore Orioles $ 80,605,863 78 $1,033,409 $1,992,305 0.5187
1993New York Mets $ 39,043,667 59 $ 661,757 $1,288,200 0.5137
2003Texas Rangers $103,491,667 71 $1,457,629 $2,837,683 0.5137
2001Boston Red Sox $110,035,833 82 $1,341,900 $2,614,218 0.5133
1988Atlanta Braves $ 12,728,174 54 $ 235,707 $ 462,081 0.5101
1995Chicago White Sox $ 46,961,282 68 $ 690,607 $1,359,242 0.5081

This year's rendition of the Cubs come in at number 33. So maybe Dusty's not doing such a bad job after all.

By the way, here are the teams that did the best at adjusted payroll per win (ignoring certain teams from 1987 with incomplete data). Surprise, this year's gutted Marlins come in at number 2:

YrTeam Total payroll W $ per W Avg25 $ per W Adj
1997Pittsburgh Pirates $ 10,771,667 79 $ 136,350 $1,610,252 0.0847
2006Florida Marlins $ 14,998,500 53 $ 283,536 $3,102,276 0.0914
1998Montreal Expos $ 10,641,500 65 $ 163,715 $1,704,377 0.0961
1992Cleveland Indians $ 9,373,044 76 $ 123,330 $1,239,297 0.0995
2000Minnesota Twins $ 16,519,500 69 $ 239,413 $2,221,513 0.1078
2001Minnesota Twins $ 24,130,000 85 $ 283,882 $2,614,218 0.1086
2003Tampa Bay Devil Rays $ 19,630,000 63 $ 311,587 $2,837,683 0.1098
2000Florida Marlins $ 19,872,000 79 $ 251,544 $2,221,513 0.1132
1993Colorado Rockies $ 10,353,500 67 $ 154,530 $1,288,200 0.1200
2001Oakland Athletics $ 33,810,750 102 $ 331,478 $2,614,218 0.1268

You may notice that aside from the 2001 A's there's not a ton of success on the list.

Comments
2006-05-31 00:04:52
1.   Adam B
The only small bit of criticism I have is that 1) the Yankees don't care about spending money and 2) I would create a table similar to the first, but remove the teams that won the division or made the playoffs that year, as obviously the team performed well. So then you could look at teams that spent a lot and didn't get much out of it.
2006-05-31 00:08:05
2.   das411
Ahh Mike, terrific analysis as always but what about when the Marlins halve their payroll at the deadline this year by unloading D-Train and Miggy C?

And is there any data available to find some sort of correlations between payroll $ and attendance? For example, the 2005 Yankees spent $208mil but also drew a team record 4+ million people, versus the 2003 Mets who spent "only" $116mil and drew 2.1 million fans; these might be some interesting sets of numbers to play around with.

2006-05-31 06:24:05
3.   Lefty
I think you have to use the concept of replacement value and minimum salaries mentioned in Moneyball; 49 wins and a $9 million payroll.

So the 2006 Cubs at 62 wins (you know they'll do beter than that) and $94 million is $6.5 million for each WARP. The 2006 Yankees at 96 wins and $194 miilion is $5 million per WARP. Some quick math shows if the Cubs get to 67 wins and the Yanks 96 the Cubs will be more cost efficient by this method.

2006-05-31 11:06:06
4.   rbj
Fascinating Mike. And yes, the Yanks are spending a lot per win, but they're getting lots of wins 95+ each year. It looks like the '03 Mets are the biggest losers, spending all that money and not even having a winning record.

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