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Monthly archives: February 2005
Lee Even Stevens, Part II—The Sexy Version
2005-02-25 12:40
Other entries in the Trade Series: Mike: I’ll Take Manhattan: Baseball’s Most Lopsided Trades I'll Take Manhattan: Baseball's Most Lopsided Trades, Revised Edition I'll Take Manhattan: Baseball's Most Lopsided Trades, Revised Edition (Cont.) Studes: The Best and Worst Teams of the Trade OK, I wasn't satisfied with the first go-round. Let's go with something more straightforward. How about we just rank the trades by how well the players performed after the trade (i.e., Total Post WSAB): #1:Date: May 2, 1975 Trade: The Cubs sent Burt Hooton to Los Angeles for Geoff Zahn and Eddie Solomon. Pre Career WS Diff: 31 (favoring LA) Post Career WS Diff: 13 (Chi) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 15 (LA) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 21 (LA) WSAB Post Career Diff: 1 (LA) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 1 (LA) WSAB Post Yr Diff: 10 (LA) Overall Avg Diff: 11.5 Post Avg Diff: 9.8 Total Post WSAB: 125 WSDiff: 14 Now that's what I'm talking about. Hooton and Zahn were pretty productive pitchers swapped for each other before they turned 30. However, Hooton was the more productive of the two. Solomon had a few decent years later on. Hooton went from 0-2, 8.18 in Chicago to 18-7, 2.82. Zahn and Solomon were a bust in Chicago, but they both turned their careers around, Zahn in Minnesota and Solomon in Pittsburgh.
#2:Date: April 7, 1979 Trade: The Dodgers sent Rick Rhoden to Pittsburgh for Jerry Reuss. Pre Career WS Diff: 45 (favoring LA) Post Career WS Diff: 6 (Pit) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 7 (LA) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 21 (LA) WSAB Post Career Diff: 0 WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 1 (LA) Overall Avg Diff: 10.0 Post Avg Diff: 3.5 Total Post WSAB: 112 WSDiff: 6 This one's even better. Both of these pitchers were productive for their new teams for years, who were traded before turning 30. Rhoden was four years younger but was about as productive over the rest of his career.
#3:Date: May 26, 1959 Trade: The Yankees sent Jerry Lumpe, Johnny Kucks, and Tom Sturdivant to the Kansas City A's for Ralph Terry and Hector Lopez. Pre Career WS Diff: 9 (favoring NYY) Post Career WS Diff: 2 (NYY) Pre Year WS Diff: 6 (NYY) Post Year WS Diff: 2 (NYY) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 4 (NYY) WSAB Post Career Diff: 9 (NYY) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 2 (NYY) WSAB Post Yr Diff: 7 (NYY) Overall Avg Diff: 5.1 Post Avg Diff: 5.0 Total Post WSAB: 105 WSDiff: 11 This is odd: one of the Yankee-KC A's deals from the era in which the latter was basically the former's Quad-A team. Lumpe was the reason the trade "worked". He had been a poor defensive player from the left side of the infield. The A's moved him to second and he had relatively productive career. Terry was the most productive player on the Yankee side of the equation after being exiled for seasoning to KC.
#4:Date: December 11, 1935 Trade: The Yankees sent Johnny Allen to Cleveland for Monte Pearson and Steve Sundra. Pre Career WS Diff: 3 (favoring Clev) Post Career WS Diff: 9 (NYY) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 5 (Clev) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 3 (NYY) WSAB Post Career Diff: 4 (Clev) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 5 (Clev) Overall Avg Diff: 3.6 Post Avg Diff: 5.8 Total Post WSAB: 102 WSDiff: 13 Allen won 20 games and Pearson won 19 the year after the trade.
#5:Date: December 6, 1989 Trade: The Mets sent Randy Myers and Kip Gross to Cincinnati for John Franco and Don Brown. Pre Career WS Diff: 52 (favoring NYM) Post Career WS Diff: 1 (Cin) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 6 (Cin) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 37 (NYM) WSAB Post Career Diff: 7 (Cin) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 6 (Cin) Overall Avg Diff: 13.6 Post Avg Diff: 5.0 Total Post WSAB: 83 WSDiff: 8
#6:Date: June 5, 1932 Trade: The Red Sox sent Danny MacFayden to the New York Yankees for Ivy Andrews, Hank Johnson, and $50K. Pre Career WS Diff: 35 (favoring NYY) Post Career WS Diff: 8 (Bos) Pre Year WS Diff: 2 (Bos) Post Year WS Diff: 4 (Bos) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 28 (NYY) WSAB Post Career Diff: 3 (Bos) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 5 (Bos) Overall Avg Diff: 10.6 Post Avg Diff: 5.0 Total Post WSAB: 81 WSDiff: 11
#7:Date: November 18, 1963 Trade: Kansas City sent Jerry Lumpe, Ed Rakow and Dave Wickersham to Detroit for Rocky Colavito, Bob Anderson, and $50K. Pre Career WS Diff: 87 (favoring KC) Post Career WS Diff: 1 (Det) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 15 (Det) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 70 (KC) WSAB Post Career Diff: 11 (KC) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 4 (Det) Overall Avg Diff: 23.5 Post Avg Diff: 7.8 Total Post WSAB: 65 WSDiff: 12 What's the deal with Jerry Lumpe? Colavito was the big player here, but he stayed in KC for only one year.
#8:Date: December 20, 1933 Trade: Washington sent Goose Goslin to Detroit for John Stone. Pre Career WS Diff: 216 (favoring Det) Post Career WS Diff: 10 (Was) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 8 (Det) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 142 (Det) WSAB Post Career Diff: 0 WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 8 (Det) Overall Avg Diff: 48.0 Post Avg Diff: 6.5 Total Post WSAB: 64 WSDiff: 10 Gooslin was 32 but had just three full seasons left in his tank. Stone was five years younger but had just four seasons, productive ones, in Washington.
#9:Date: December 8, 1948 Trade: Pittsburgh sent Frankie Gustine and Cal McLish to the Cubs for Clyde McCullough and Cliff Chambers. Pre Career WS Diff: 50 (favoring Chi) Post Career WS Diff: 2 (Chi) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 19 (Pit) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 13 (Chi) WSAB Post Career Diff: 13 (Chi) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 8 (Pit) Overall Avg Diff: 13.1 Post Avg Diff: 10.5 Total Post WSAB: 55 WSDiff: 15
#10:Date: August 28, 1916 Trade: The Cubs sent Mickey Doolan and Heinie Zimmerman to the Giants for Larry Doyle, Herb Hunter, and Merwin Jacobson. Pre Career WS Diff: 89 (favoring NYG) Post Career WS Diff: 8 (Chi) Pre Year WS Diff: 4 (Chi) Post Year WS Diff: 4 (NYG) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 5 (Chi) WSAB Post Career Diff: 0 WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 4 (Chi) WSAB Post Yr Diff: 1 (NYG) Overall Avg Diff: 14.4 Post Avg Diff: 3.3 Total Post WSAB: 54 WSDiff: 8
#11:Date: December 10, 1952 Trade: The White Sox sent Chuck Stobbs to Washington for Mike Fornieles. Pre Career WS Diff: 34 (favoring WAS) Post Career WS Diff: 9 (Chi) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 1 (WAS) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 14 (WAS) WSAB Post Career Diff: 4 (Chi) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 0 Overall Avg Diff: 7.8 Post Avg Diff: 3.5 Total Post WSAB: 54 WSDiff: 13 Stobbs for Fornieles? Now, that's sexy.
#12:Date: July 19, 2000 Trade: Texas sent Esteban Loaiza to Toronto for Darwin Cubillan and Michael Young. Pre Career WS Diff: 37 (favoring Tor) Post Career WS Diff: 2 (Tor) Pre Year WS Diff: 5 (Tor) Post Year WS Diff: 7 (Tor) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 8 (Tor) WSAB Post Career Diff: 2 (Tex) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 1 (Tor) WSAB Post Yr Diff: 5 (Tor) Overall Avg Diff: 8.4 Post Avg Diff: 4.0 Total Post WSAB: 50 WSDiff: 4
#13:Date: December 19, 1985 Trade: Cincinnati sent Dann Bilardello, Andy McGaffigan, John Stuper, and Jay Tibbs to Montreal for Bill Gullickson and Sal Butera. Pre Career WS Diff: 5 (Favoring Cin) Post Career WS Diff: 1 (Cin) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 2 (Mon) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 15 (Cin) WSAB Post Career Diff: 1 (Cin) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 1 (Cin) Overall Avg Diff: 3.1 Post Avg Diff: 1.3 Total Post WSAB: 49 WSDiff: 2 Catchers Butera and Bilardello was a wash. As for the pitchers, Stuper was done. McGaffigan and Tibbs together were about the same as Gullickson.
#14:Date: October 24, 1973 Trade: Kansas City sent Dick Drago to the Red Sox for Marty Pattin. Pre Career WS Diff: 0 Post Career WS Diff: 7 (Bos) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 8 (Bos) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 1 (KC) WSAB Post Career Diff: 6 (Bos) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 7 (Bos) Overall Avg Diff: 3.6 Post Avg Diff: 7.0 Total Post WSAB: 44 WSDiff: 13
#15:Date: August 29, 1990 Trade: Oakland sent Felix Jose, Daryl Green, and Stan Royer to St. Louis for Willie McGee. Pre Career WS Diff: 136 (favoring Oak) Post Career WS Diff: 8 (Oak) Pre Year WS Diff: 6 (Oak) Post Year WS Diff: 0 WSAB Pre Career Diff: 62 (Oak) WSAB Post Career Diff: 4 (StL) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 5 (Oak) WSAB Post Yr Diff: 1 (Oak) Overall Avg Diff: 27.8 Post Avg Diff: 3.3 Total Post WSAB: 40 WSDiff: 12
Lee Even Stevens
2005-02-24 12:07
Other entries in the Trade Series: Mike: I’ll Take Manhattan: Baseball’s Most Lopsided Trades I'll Take Manhattan: Baseball's Most Lopsided Trades, Revised Edition I'll Take Manhattan: Baseball's Most Lopsided Trades, Revised Edition (Cont.) Studes: The Best and Worst Teams of the Trade Russell Ziskey: "Can I have your last beer?" [I was going to call it "Tit For Tat" but "The Man" wouldn't let me. Ever since that Janet Jackson thing…] After looking at the most lopsided trades of all time, I thought it would be interesting to take a look at the most even. At the moment of consummation trades are often evaluated as a "win" for both sides, but how many actually have been? In looking at the data, there are thousands (2452 actually) of trades in which the balance sheet evens out for both teams (i.e., that the Win Shares Above Baseline differential is zero). However, in the vast majority of these trades both teams received players who had very little value over the rest of their careers. They are even trades, but they are not exactly "wins" for any of the teams involved. We need to filter the data based on the total WSAB after the trade for all of players involved. Also, given that the WSAB varies according to role, what we really need is a way to combine the WSAB differential with straight Win Shares amassed after the trade. Summing the two won't work since sometimes the two will cancel each other out if one is negative and the other positive. We need to measure the total differential (i.e., via absolute values). In that way, every post-trade Win Share is worth one point, but those in the WSAB stat count for two. Let's call this WSDiff. I set the thresholds for the two derived stats at a minimum of 10 WSAB in total after the trade and a maximum WSDiff at 15. I got 188 records back, which would translate into 94 two-way trades. But how to rank them after that? I next created a new derived stat, Post WS Avg, that takes the average of all the post-trade Win Share differentials (actually, of their absolute values). That is, the ones for career Win Shares, single-season Win Shares, career WSAB, and single-season WSAB. Anyway, the trades in which the teams experienced as close to the same performance level during the remainder of the given season and over the rest of the players' careers would be considered even trades. Without further ado, here they are (ranked by Post Avg Diff): #1:Date: May 19, 1970 Trade: San Francisco sent Frank Linzy to St. Louis for Jerry Johnson. Pre Career WS Diff: 51 (favoring STL) Post Career WS Diff: 0 Pre Year WS Diff: 2 (SF) Post Year WS Diff: 1 (STL) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 37 (STL) WSAB Post Career Diff: 3 (SF) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 0 Overall Avg Diff: 11.8 Post Avg Diff: 1 Total Post WSAB: 11 WSDiff: 3 One middle of the road reliever for another. Johnson had a very good year in 1971 as the Giants won the division. Linzy best years were later on.
#2:Date: December 19, 1985 Trade: Cincinnati sent Dann Bilardello, Andy McGaffigan, John Stuper, and Jay Tibbs to Montreal for Bill Gullickson and Sal Butera. Pre Career WS Diff: 5 (Favoring Cin) Post Career WS Diff: 1 (Cin) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 2 (Mon) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 15 (Cin) WSAB Post Career Diff: 1 (Cin) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 1 (Cin) Overall Avg Diff: 3.1 Post Avg Diff: 1.3 Total Post WSAB: 49 WSDiff: 2 Catchers Butera and Bilardello was a wash. As for the pitchers, Stuper was done. McGaffigan and Tibbs together were about the same as Gullickson.
#3:Date: April 4, 2001 Trade: Milwaukee sent Juan Acevedo, Kane Davis, and Jose Flores to Colorado for Mark Leiter, Mike DeJean, and Elvis Pena. Pre Career WS Diff: 48 (favoring Milw) Post Career WS Diff: 3 (Milw) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 2 (Milw) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 13 (Milw) WSAB Post Career Diff: 0 WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 3 (Milw) Overall Avg Diff: 8.6 Post Avg Diff: 2.0 Total Post WSAB: 14 WSDiff: 3 This one's still to early to call. However, DeJean is about the only one that was very active in the majors last season.
#4:Date: July 23, 1990 Trade: Atlanta sent Joe "Leave it to" Boever to the Philadelphia for "Starvin'" Marvin Freeman. Pre Career WS Diff: 12 (favoring Phil) Post Career WS Diff: 2 (Phil) Pre Year WS Diff: 2 (Phil) Post Year WS Diff: 5 (Phil) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 5 (Phil) WSAB Post Career Diff: 0 WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 2 (Phil) WSAB Post Yr Diff: 2 (Phil) Overall Avg Diff: 3.8 Post Avg Diff: 2.3 Total Post WSAB: 16 WSDiff: 2 Here's another reliever swap. Boever was veteran middle reliever and Freeman was a failed young starter, who become one of the Braves first middle relief reclamation projects.
#5 (tie):Date: July 11, 2002 Trade: Montreal sent Carl Pavano, Graeme Lloyd, Mike Mordecai, Justin Wayne, and a player to be named later (Donald Levinski) to Florida for Cliff Floyd, Wilton Guerrero, Claudio Vargas, and cash. Pre Career WS Diff: 64 (favoring Mon) Post Career WS Diff: 2 (Mon) Pre Year WS Diff: 17 (Mon) Post Year WS Diff: 1 (Fla) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 34 (Mon) WSAB Post Career Diff: 3 (Fla) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 7 (Mon) WSAB Post Yr Diff: 5 (Mon) Overall Avg Diff: 16.6 Post Avg Diff: 2.8 Total Post WSAB: 31 WSDiff: 5 Again, still too early. However, given that Montreal cashed in Floyd in 19 days for two pitchers that haven't yet done much for them, this one will not be remembered as a win for the Expos/Nationals.
#5 (tie):Date: August 26, 1987 Trade: Cincinnati sent Bill Gullickson to the Yankees for Dennis Rasmussen. Pre Career WS Diff: 53 (favoring NYY) Post Career WS Diff: 4 (NYY) Pre Year WS Diff: 2 (Cin) Post Year WS Diff: 1 (Cin) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 27 (NYY) WSAB Post Career Diff: 5 (NYY) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 2 (Cin) WSAB Post Yr Diff: 1 (Cin) Overall Avg Diff: 11.9 Post Avg Diff: 2.8 Total Post WSAB: 21 WSDiff: 9 What's the deal with Bill Gullickson and these deals anyway? I guess mediocrity breeds mediocrity.
#5 (tie):Date: December 6, 1959 Trade: The Cubs sent Lee Walls, Bill Henry, and Lou Jackson to Cincinnati for Frank Thomas. Pre Career WS Diff: 22 (favoring Chi) Post Career WS Diff: 1 (Cin) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 3 (Cin) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 17 (Chi) WSAB Post Career Diff: 4 (Cin) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 3 (Cin) Overall Avg Diff: 6.3 Post Avg Diff: 2.8 Total Post WSAB: 20 WSDiff: 5 Here's a three-for-one swap that "worked".
#5 (tie):Date: December 17, 1995 Trade: Baltimore sent Joe Borowski and Rachaad Stewart to Atlanta for Kent Mercker. Pre Career WS Diff: 41 (favoring Balt) Post Career WS Diff: 4 (Balt) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 0 WSAB Pre Career Diff: 10 (Balt) WSAB Post Career Diff: 7 (Atl) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 0 Overall Avg Diff: 7.8 Post Avg Diff: 2.8 Total Post WSAB: 17 WSDiff: 11 Borowski did OK for the Braves, but his career year came much later.
#5 (tie):Date: February 13, 1986 Trade: The White Sox sent Ron Hassey, Chris Alvarez, Eric Schmidt, and Matt Winters to the Yankees for Neil Allen, Scott Bradley, Glen Braxton, and cash. Pre Career WS Diff: 24 (favoring NYY) Post Career WS Diff: 7 (Sox) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 0 WSAB Pre Career Diff: 1 (Sox) WSAB Post Career Diff: 2 (NYY) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 2 (NYY) Overall Avg Diff: 4.5 Post Avg Diff: 2.8 Total Post WSAB: 10 WSDiff: 9
#10 (tie):Date: June 10, 1907 Trade: Phillies sent Johnny Lush to the Cardinals for Buster Brown (and his shoes). Pre Career WS Diff: 15 (favoring StL) Post Career WS Diff: 8 (Phil) Pre Year WS Diff: 2 (StL) Post Year WS Diff: 1 (StL) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 5 (StL) WSAB Post Career Diff: 2 (Phil) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 2 (StL) WSAB Post Yr Diff: 1 (StL) Overall Avg Diff: 4.5 Post Avg Diff: 3.0 Total Post WSAB: 34 WSDiff: 10
#10 (tie):Date: July 31, 2001 Trade: Boston sent Tomo Ohka and Rich Rundles to Montreal for Ugueth Urbina. Pre Career WS Diff: 51 (favoring Bos) Post Career WS Diff: 3 (Bos) Pre Year WS Diff: 6 (Bos) Post Year WS Diff: 3 (Bos) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 32 (Bos) WSAB Post Career Diff: 4 (Bos) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 4 (Bos) WSAB Post Yr Diff: 2 (Bos) Overall Avg Diff: 13.1 Post Avg Diff: 3.0 Total Post WSAB: 32 WSDiff: 7
#10 (tie):Date: July 11, 1992 Trade: Pittsburgh sent Steve Buechele to the Cubs for Danny Jackson. Pre Career WS Diff: 11 (favoring Chi) Post Career WS Diff: 2 (Pit) Pre Year WS Diff: 8 (Chi) Post Year WS Diff: 1 (Chi) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 18 (Pit) WSAB Post Career Diff: 7 (Pit) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 3 (Chi) WSAB Post Yr Diff: 2 (Chi) Overall Avg Diff: 6.5 Post Avg Diff: 3.0 Total Post WSAB: 19 WSDiff: 9
#10 (tie):Date: July 22, 1960 Trade: Washington sent Bill Fischer to Detroit for Tom Morgan. Pre Career WS Diff: 36 (favoring Was) Post Career WS Diff: 2 (Det) Pre Year WS Diff: 1 (Det) Post Year WS Diff: 4 (Det) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 6 (Was) WSAB Post Career Diff: 5 (Was) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 1 (Det) WSAB Post Yr Diff: 1 (Det) Overall Avg Diff: 7.0 Post Avg Diff: 3.0 Total Post WSAB: 17 WSDiff: 7
#10 (tie):Date: June 1, 1910 Trade: Pittsburgh sent Sam Frock to the Boston Doves for Kirby White. Pre Career WS Diff: 6 (favoring Pit) Post Career WS Diff: 4 (Bos) Pre Year WS Diff: 3 (Pit) Post Year WS Diff: 4 (Bos) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 1 (Pit) WSAB Post Career Diff: 2 (Bos) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 1 (Pit) WSAB Post Yr Diff: 2 (Bos) Overall Avg Diff: 2.9 Post Avg Diff: 3.0 Total Post WSAB: 14 WSDiff: 6
#10 (tie):Date: April 1, 1982 Trade: Cincinnati sent Jeff Lahti and Jose Brito to St. Louis for Bob Shirley. Pre Career WS Diff: 35 (favoring Cin) Post Career WS Diff: 5 (Cin) Pre Year WS Diff: 0 Post Year WS Diff: 4 (Cin) WSAB Pre Career Diff: 10 (Cin) WSAB Post Career Diff: 1 (Cin) WSAB Pre Yr Diff: 0 WSAB Post Yr Diff: 2 (Cin) Overall Avg Diff: 7.1 Post Avg Diff: 3.0 Total Post WSAB: 13 WSDiff: 6
I'll Take Manhattan: Baseball's Most Lopsided Trades, Revised Edition (Cont.)
2005-02-22 01:22
Other entries in the Trade Series: Mike: I’ll Take Manhattan: Baseball’s Most Lopsided Trades I'll Take Manhattan: Baseball's Most Lopsided Trades, Revised Edition Studes: The Best and Worst Teams of the Trade Here are the rest of the top fifty most lopsided trades. Meanwhile, Studes has an in-depth look at the Smoltz-for-Alexander trade, which clocks in at number thirty-seven. Finally, prior to continuing with the list I just want to clarify what the hex it is I'm trying to research here—from an email I sent to Studes: As far as the meaning of the slew d'stats, my thinking was that a trade is a snapshot in time. You have the players' past statistics to go on for the year (if midseason) and for their careers. Then the other side of the balance sheet is what the GMs don't know at the time, how well the players perform after the trade in the given season and over their careers. So there are four time periods to consider: the players' entire career before and after the trade and the players' stats for the season in which the trade was made (before and after). Then I looked at these time periods based on straight win shares and on win shares above baseline. I ranked them by career win share above baseline differential after the trade. All the stats listed per trade are based on the differentials in each category between what the team got and what they gave up. #11:Date: December 6, 1959 Trade: Cleveland gets Johnny Romano, Bubba Phillips, and Norm Cash from the White Sox for Don Ferrarese, Dick Brown, Minnie Minoso, and Jake Striker. Pre Career WS: -215 Post Career WS: 371 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 8 WSAB Pre Career: -140 WSAB Post Career: 198 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: -3
#12:Date: December 14, 1948 Trade: Cleveland gets Mickey Vernon and Early Wynn from Washington for Ed Klieman, Joe Haynes, and Eddie Robinson. Pre Career WS: 46 Post Career WS: 307 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 7 WSAB Pre Career: 38 WSAB Post Career: 197 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 5
#13:Date: January 27, 1982 Trade: The Cubs get Larry Bowa and Ryne Sandberg from the Phils for Ivan DeJesus. Pre Career WS: 80 Post Career WS: 339 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 8 WSAB Pre Career: 14 WSAB Post Career: 196 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 3
#14:Date: May 22, 1913 Trade: Cincinnati gets Heinie Groh, Red Ames, Josh Devore, and $20,000 from the Giants for Art Fromme and Eddie Grant. Pre Career WS: 46 Post Career WS: 332 Pre Year WS: 2 PostYearWS: 24 WSAB Pre Career: 35 WSAB Post Career: 190 WSAB Pre Yr: 2 WSAB Post Yr: 10
#15:Date: July 29, 1989 Trade: The White Sox get Scott Fletcher, Sammy Sosa, and Wilson Alvarez from Texas for Fred Manrique and Harold Baines. Pre Career WS: 46 Post Career WS: 332 Pre Year WS: 2 PostYearWS: 24 WSAB Pre Career: 35 WSAB Post Career: 190 WSAB Pre Yr: 2 WSAB Post Yr: 10
#16 (tied):Date: December 4, 1974 Trade: Baltimore gets Ken Singleton and Mike Torrez from Montreal for Dave McNally, Rich Coggins, and Bill Kirkpatrick. Pre Career WS: -63 Post Career WS: 327 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 49 WSAB Pre Career: -55 WSAB Post Career: 186 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 36
#16 (tied):Date: August 28, 1983 Trade: Cleveland gets three players to be named later (Rick Behenna, Brett Butler, and Brook Jacoby) and $150,000 from Atlanta for Len Barker. Pre Career WS: -33 Post Career WS: 385 Pre Year WS: -3 PostYearWS: 27 WSAB Pre Career: -15 WSAB Post Career: 186 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 9
#18 (tied):Date: January 9, 1918 Trade: Brooklyn gets Al Mamaux, Burleigh Grimes, and Chuck Ward from Pittsburgh for Casey Stengel and George Cutshaw. Pre Career WS: -112 Post Career WS: 194 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 4 WSAB Pre Career: -31 WSAB Post Career: 179 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 12
#18 (tied):Date: July 25, 1910 Trade: Cleveland gets Joe Jackson from the Athletics for Bris Lord. Pre Career WS: -25 Post Career WS: 248 Pre Year WS: -4 PostYearWS: -6 WSAB Pre Career: -3 WSAB Post Career: 179 WSAB Pre Yr: -3 WSAB Post Yr: -3
#20:Date: May 6, 1930 Trade: The Yankees get Red Ruffing from the Red Sox for Cedric Durst and $50,000. Pre Career WS: 47 Post Career WS: 262 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 13 WSAB Pre Career: 28 WSAB Post Career: 174 WSAB Pre Yr: 1 WSAB Post Yr: 9
#21 (tied):Date: June 15, 1964 Trade: St. Louis gets Lou Brock, Jack Spring, and Paul Toth from the Cubs for Bobby Shantz, Ernie Broglio and Doug Clemens. Pre Career WS: -187 Post Career WS: 298 Pre Year WS: -1 PostYearWS: 9 WSAB Pre Career: -114 WSAB Post Career: 166 WSAB Pre Yr: 4 WSAB Post Yr: 9
#21 (tied):Date: April 12, 1960 Trade: Detroit gets Norm Cash from Cleveland for Steve Demeter. Pre Career WS: 4 Post Career WS: 311 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 16 WSAB Pre Career: 0 WSAB Post Career: 166 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 6
#23:Date: December 11, 1917 Trade: The Cubs get Grover Cleveland Alexander and Bill Killefer from the Phillies for Mike Prendergast, Pickles Dillhoefer, and $55,000. Pre Career WS: 253 Post Career WS: 245 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: -3 WSAB Pre Career: 185 WSAB Post Career: 164 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: -9
#24:Date: December 14, 1917 Trade: Red Sox get Amos Strunk, Joe Bush, and Wally Schang from the A's for Vean Gregg, Merlin Kopp, Pinch Thomas, and $60,000. Pre Career WS: 118 Post Career WS: 345 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 26 WSAB Pre Career: 35 WSAB Post Career: 163 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 16
Man, that was one bad week in Philly. #25:Date: March 30, 1992 Trade: White Sox sent Sammy Sosa and Ken Patterson to the Cubs for George Bell. Pre Career WS: -124 Post Career WS: 266 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: -5 WSAB Pre Career: -70 WSAB Post Career: 160 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: -3
#27:Date: December 11, 1975 Trade: Yankees sent Doc Medich to Pittsburgh for Willie Randolph, Ken Brett, and Dock Ellis. Pre Career WS: 80 Post Career WS: 317 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 36 WSAB Pre Career: 26 WSAB Post Career: 155 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 20
#28:Date: December 12, 1903 Trade: Cardinals sent Mordecai Brown and Jack O'Neill to the Cubs for Jack Taylor and Larry McLean. Pre Career WS: -93 Post Career WS: 134 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: -4 WSAB Pre Career: -71 WSAB Post Career: 153 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: -7
#29 (tie):Date: October 30, 1922 Trade: Detroit sent Babe Herman, Danny Clark, Howard Ehmke, Carl Holling, and $25000 cash to the Red Sox for Del Pratt and Rip Collins. Pre Career WS: -177 Post Career WS: 254 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 14 WSAB Pre Career: -93 WSAB Post Career: 152 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 19
#29 (tie):Date: October 19, 1949 Trade: The Philadelphia Athletics sent Nellie Fox to the White Sox for Joe Tipton. Pre Career WS: 0 Post Career WS: 269 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 0 WSAB Pre Career: 0 WSAB Post Career: 152 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 0
#31:Date: May 25, 1989 Trade: Montreal sent Randy Johnson, Gene Harris, and Brian Holman to Seattle for Mark Langston and a player to be named later (Mike Campbell). Pre Career WS: -73 Post Career WS: 194 Pre Year WS: -5 PostYearWS: 0 WSAB Pre Career: -49 WSAB Post Career: 149 WSAB Pre Yr: -3 WSAB Post Yr: -7
#32:Date: December 4, 1964 Trade: The Los Angeles Dodgers sent Frank Howard, Ken McMullen, Phil Ortega, Pete Richert and a player to be named later (Dick Nen) to Washington for Claude Osteen, John Kennedy, and $100 K. Pre Career WS: 53 Post Career WS: 308 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 54 WSAB Pre Career: 14 WSAB Post Career: 147 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 24
#33 (tie):Date: November 29, 1971 Trade: Cleveland sent Sam McDowell to San Francisco for Gaylord Perry and Frank Duffy. Pre Career WS: 0 Post Career WS: 257 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 44 WSAB Pre Career: 1 WSAB Post Career: 146 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 33
#33 (tie):Date: November 10, 1948 Trade: The White Sox sent Aaron Robinson to Detroit for Billy Pierce and $10 K. Pre Career WS: -45 Post Career WS: 214 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: -6 WSAB Pre Career: -11 WSAB Post Career: 146 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: -2
#35:Date: July 20, 1916 Trade: The Giants sent Christy Mathewson, Bill McKechnie and Edd Roush to the Cincinnati Reds for Buck Herzog and Red Killefer. Pre Career WS: 342 Post Career WS: 259 Pre Year WS: -5 PostYearWS: 2 WSAB Pre Career: 303 WSAB Post Career: 142 WSAB Pre Yr: -5 WSAB Post Yr: -4
#36:Date: February 25, 1972 Trade: St. Louis sent Steve Carlton to Philadelphia for Rick Wise. Pre Career WS: 12 Post Career WS: 176 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 20 WSAB Pre Career: 10 WSAB Post Career: 141 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 20
#37:Date: August 12, 1987 Trade: Detroit sent John Smoltz to Atlanta for Doyle Alexander. Pre Career WS: -163 Post Career WS: 193 Pre Year WS: -6 PostYearWS: -12 WSAB Pre Career: -83 WSAB Post Career: 138 WSAB Pre Yr: -7 WSAB Post Yr: -5
#38:Date: March 26, 1992 Trade: Milwaukee sent Gary Sheffield and Geoff Kellogg to San Diego for Ricky Bones, Jose Valentin, and Matt Mieske.. Pre Career WS: 28 Post Career WS: 70 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 28 WSAB Pre Career: 10 WSAB Post Career: 136 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 22
#39:Date: December 2, 1927 Trade: Detroit sent Heinie Manush and Lu Blue to the St. Louis Browns for Chick Galloway, Elam Vangilder, and Harry Rice. Pre Career WS: -26 Post Career WS: 224 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 29 WSAB Pre Career: -14 WSAB Post Career: 135 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 27
#40 (tie):Date: April 2, 1992 Trade: Houston sent Curt Schilling to Philadelphia for Jason Grimsley. Pre Career WS: 6 Post Career WS: 155 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 17 WSAB Pre Career: 0 WSAB Post Career: 134 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 11
#40 (tie):Date: July 29, 1996 Trade: The Mets sent Jeff Kent and Jose Vizcaino to Cleveland for Carlos Baerga and Alvaro Espinoza.. Pre Career WS: -52 Post Career WS: 205 Pre Year WS: 11 PostYearWS: 4 WSAB Pre Career: -36 WSAB Post Career: 134 WSAB Pre Yr: 4 WSAB Post Yr: 1
#42:Date: April 3, 1974 Trade: Cleveland sent Pedro Guerrero to Los Angeles for Bruce Ellingsen Pre Career WS: 0 Post Career WS: 244 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: -2 WSAB Pre Career: 0 WSAB Post Career: 133 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 0
#43:Date: December 3, 1936 Trade: Brooklyn sent Frenchy Bordagaray, Jimmy Jordan, and Dutch Leonard to the St. Louis Cardinals for Tom Winsett. Pre Career WS: 56 Post Career WS: 247 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 1 WSAB Pre Career: 10 WSAB Post Career: 128 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 0
#44:Date: April 5, 1972 Trade: The Mets sent Ken Singleton, Tim Foli, and Mike Jorgensen to Montreal for Rusty Staub. Pre Career WS: -169 Post Career WS: 316 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 25 WSAB Pre Career: -107 WSAB Post Career: 127 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 6
#45 (tie):Date: November 18, 1997 Trade: Tampa Bay sent Bobby Abreu to Philadelphia for Kevin Stocker. Pre Career WS: -46 Post Career WS: 141 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 21 WSAB Pre Career: -4 WSAB Post Career: 126 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 16
#45 (tie):Date: May 29, 1971 Trade: San Francisco sent George Foster to Cincinnati for Frank Duffy and Vern Geishert. Pre Career WS: 2 Post Career WS: 212 Pre Year WS: 2 PostYearWS: 10 WSAB Pre Career: 1 WSAB Post Career: 126 WSAB Pre Yr: 1 WSAB Post Yr: 1
#45 (tie):Date: June 13, 1938 Trade: Philadelphia sent Bucky Walters to Cincinnati for Spud Davis, Al Hollingsworth, and $50 K. Pre Career WS: -92 Post Career WS: 129 Pre Year WS: 3 PostYearWS: -1 WSAB Pre Career: -25 WSAB Post Career: 126 WSAB Pre Yr: 1 WSAB Post Yr: 3
#48 (tie):Date: December 15, 1920 Trade: The Red Sox sent Waite Hoyt, Harry Harper, Mike McNally, and Wally Schang to the Yankees for Muddy Ruel, Del Pratt, Sammy Vick, and Hank Thormahlen. Pre Career WS: -29 Post Career WS: 180 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 18 WSAB Pre Career: -31 WSAB Post Career: 124 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 17
#48 (tie):Date: December 2, 1937 Trade: The White Sox sent Dixie Walker, Vern Kennedy, and Tony Piet to Detroit for Marv Owen, Mike Tresh, and Gee Walker. Pre Career WS: -11 Post Career WS: 123 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 3 WSAB Pre Career: 5 WSAB Post Career: 124 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 7
#50:Date: February 26, 1957 Trade: The Giants sent Hoyt Wilhelm to St. Louis for Whitey Lockman. Pre Career WS: -86 Post Career WS: 186 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: -2 WSAB Pre Career: -20 WSAB Post Career: 123 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 0
I'll Take Manhattan: Baseball's Most Lopsided Trades, Revised Edition
2005-02-21 01:49
Other entries in the Trade Series: Mike: I’ll Take Manhattan: Baseball’s Most Lopsided Trades Studes: The Best and Worst Teams of the Trade This article has been revised and expanded after Studes and I revised our methodology and resolved all outstanding data issues. I've added a slew of stats: career win shares before and after the trade, the single-season win shares before and after the trade, and the career and single-season win shares above baseline (WSAB) before and after the trade. The trades are ranked by career WSAB after the trade. I also made sure to incorporate all of the trades mentioned in the first go-round. So here goes: #1:Date: December 15, 1900 Trade: New York Giants sent Amos Rusie to Cincinnati for Christy Mathewson Pre Career WS: -293 Post Career WS: 426 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 21 WSAB Pre Career: -239 WSAB Post Career: 333 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 15 This wasn't so much a trade as a gimmick to sell the team, but I have to go by the official record. Then-Cincinnati owner John T. Brush started with the old Indianapolis NL club, but this club folded and his investment was transferred to the Giants as the NL tried to consolidate its base during the Players League wars. He was rewarded with ownership of the Reds in the resulting twelve-team NL. It's unclear if he ever relinquished his Giant ownership. However, had he kept it while owning the Reds, he wouldn't have been the only owner at that time to do so. Apparently, in the negotiating process Brush demanded Mathewson from Giant controlling owner Andrew Freedman. In exchange, the Reds got Rusie, a future Hall of Famer who had missed two straight seasons at the time. Rusie had torn his shoulder muscles in a throw to first and never was able to recuperate. He was actually retired at the time of the trade. Oddly, Rusie had followed Brush from Indianapolis to New York back in 1889-1890. Rusie would go on to pitch just three games, very poorly (including a 14-3 debut), for the Reds and then called it a career. That was more than one could have expected when he was traded. Mathewson did pretty well for the Giants. Rusie would return more than two decades later as the superintendent of the Polo Grounds. Mathewson would be traded back to Cincinnati in 1916 and he would pitch his last game with the Reds, the only game he pitched for them.
#2:Date: January 10, 1991 Trade: Houston sent Glenn Davis to Baltimore for Steve Finley, Curt Schilling, and Pete Harnisch Pre Career WS: -92 Post Career WS: 525 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 35 WSAB Pre Career: -58 WSAB Post Career: 310 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 18 This is the ultimate cautionary tale for GMs who want to nab a star by giving up the farm, or at least all the farmhands. The Orioles had grown tired of Randy Milligan's inconsistency at the plate and salivated at the idea of injecting power into their lineup via Davis. Being a seven-year veteran in the cavernous Astrodome, Davis was still able to collect thirty home runs in three seasons. The Orioles expected that to translate into 40 or 50 in Memorial Stadium, and they wanted to generate fan interest as they prepared to move into Camden Yards in 1992. They were coming off a disappointing 1990 season (76-85) after making great strides the previous season (from a catastrophic 54-107 record in 1988 to 87-75, in second place, just two games behind the Blue Jays in 1989). One more star could right their course. Meanwhile, the Astros had fallen into fifth place in 1990 (75-87) and were looking to rebuild. They had a young Craig Biggio behind the plate and just about to bloom into an All-Star. In August they stripped the Red Sox of a minor-league Jeff Bagwell for 15 games from Larry Andersen. With then-third baseman Bagwell in tow, the Astros felt that Davis, a free agent at year's end, was expendable. Harnisch would be an All-Star in 1991 and would be a reliable starter for the 'Stros over the next three years. Finley would be inserted in center field and even though he hit just three home runs in 464 at-bats in 1990, he would eventually become the power hitter he's known to be today. Unfortunately for the Astros he would never hit more than 11 for them in his four seasons in Houston. He would then be traded to the Padres on December 28, 1994 in their monster 11-man deal. Schilling would spent one year in the Astro pen and then after a trade to the Phils for Jason Grimsley at the end of spring training in 1992, he would finally become a starter. The Astros collected the most lopsided bounty in trade history and they failed to unearth the best of it. Meanwhile, Davis would hit just 24 home runs and play 185 games over the next three seasons in Baltimore. After playing at least 150 games a season from 1986 to 1989, Davis at age 29 would never play more than 106 in a season. Here’s a comparison between the two sides in the deal:
#3:Date: December 5, 1988 Trade: Texas sent Curtis Wilkerson, Paul Kilgus, Mitch Williams, Steve Wilson and two minor leaguers (Luis Benitez and Pablo Delgado) to the Cubs for Rafael Palmeiro, Jamie Moyer, and Drew Hall. Pre Career WS: -17 Post Career WS: 413 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 1 WSAB Pre Career: 0 WSAB Post Career: 251 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 0 What do you need Rafael Palmeiro when you have Mark Grace? Palmeiro was a singles-hitting left fielder. Pete O'Brien had been the Rangers first baseman in 1988, but signed after the season with Seattle as a free agent. The Rangers desperate for first baseman traded a boatload of young players including 12-game winner Kilgus and young would-be closer Williams. Wilkerson was a weak-hitting middle infielder that the Cubs mistakenly tried to convert to third. Moyer is now a two-time twenty-game winner but he was coming off a 9-15 year in Chicago and would go just 6-15 in two seasons with the Rangers.
#4:Date: August 30, 1990 Trade: Boston sent Jeff Bagwell to Houston for Larry Andersen. Pre Career WS: -63 Post Career WS: 338 Pre Year WS: -10 PostYearWS: -3 WSAB Pre Career: -22 WSAB Post Career: 237 WSAB Pre Yr: -6 WSAB Post Yr: -2 What do you need Jeff Bagwell for if you have Wade Boggs and you need a middle reliever? Bagwell was a single-hitting third baseman in Double-A at the time. The Sox won the AL East by two games and Andersen pitched very well before leaving as a free agent. Bagwell became the 'Stros starting first baseman the next season, developed a bit of power, and may join Boggs in the Hall of Fame when all is said and done. I was living in Boston at the time of the trade and knew, as many did, that this was a mistake. By the way, the starting Boston first baseman was Carlos "The Q" Quintana.
#5:Date: December 9, 1982 Trade: New York Yankees traded Fred McGriff, Dave Collins, Mike Morgan, and cash to Toronto for Dale Murray and Tom Dodd. Pre Career WS: -63 Post Career WS: 338 Pre Year WS: -10 PostYearWS: -3 WSAB Pre Career: -22 WSAB Post Career: 237 WSAB Pre Yr: -6 WSAB Post Yr: -2 "You want some kid who's a year out of high school as a throw-in? Sure" Yeah, Murray wasn't very effective as a long reliever in New York, but this was just a bad trade for five years. In 1987, Fred McGriff became the Blue Jays starting first baseman, and though he may always be seven dingers away from a Cooperstown plaque, he makes this one memorial. Even without McGriff, Collins remained a steady starting outfielder and Morgan was then a young starter. Murray had just pitched 111 innings in relief the year before, but even so, you can't trade this much for a middle reliever. McGriff had just parts of two seasons in the Gulf Coast League under his belt. In his first partial season after being drafting by the Yankees, he batted .148. The same day the Yankees signed Steve Kemp to a five-year contract. Really.
#6:Date: November 29, 1971 Trade: Cincinnati sent Lee May, Tommy Helms, and Jimmy Stewart to the Astros for Jack Billingham, Ed Armbrister, Cesar Geronimo, Denis Menke, and Joe Morgan. Pre Career WS: 152 Post Career WS: 389 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 33 WSAB Pre Career: 111 WSAB Post Career: 233 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 19 The Reds traded Lee May for who? Are they crazy? In a deal panned by the Cincinnati press, the Reds picked up three big pieces of the Big Red Machine in Morgan, Geronimo, and Billingham. After falling from 102 wins in 1970 to just 79 in 1971, the Reds were ready to run off ten straight winning seasons with two world championships, three league championships, and five division titles. The Reds gave up two established starting position players. May had just hit 39 home runs for the Reds. He would remain productive, but would never be a superstar. Helms had been a starting second baseman in Cincy for six years, was a rookie of the year, and had just won two straight Gold Gloves. This was a trade that would have made Billy Beane proud.
#7:Date: January 20, 1965 Trade: Three-team deal--The White Sox get Tommy John, Tommy Agee and Johnny Romano from Cleveland and send Cam Carreon to Cleveland and a player to be named later (Fred Talbot), Jim Landis, and Mike Hershberger to the Kansas City. Also,Kansas City sent Rocky Colavito to Cleveland. Pre Career WS: -96 (White Sox transactions only) Post Career WS: 371 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 8 WSAB Pre Career: -22 WSAB Post Career: 231 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 15 Again Beane would be proud: Horn your way into a deal and get the players you want in the process. The Sox pick up two young Tommies as Colavito returns to Cleveland. The Sox give up quantity, a number of players that they no longer need or want, and get youthful quality.
#8:Date: April 21, 1966 Trade: The Cubs sent Larry Jackson and Bob Buhl to the Phillies for Ferguson, John Herrnstein and Adolfo Phillips. Pre Career WS: -312 Post Career WS: 338 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 5 WSAB Pre Career: -185 WSAB Post Career: 215 WSAB Pre Yr: -1 WSAB Post Yr: -1 Well, there it is. The Phils trade a future Hall of Famer for two starters that were 35 and 37 years old. Jackson would be decent for three years in Philly rotation but Buhl would last just 137.1 innings and win 6 games in slightly over one year with the Phils. After Leo Durocher converted Fergie to a starter, he would win twenty games in six straight seasons starting in 1967.
#9:Date: July 29, 1988 Trade: Baltimore gets Brady Anderson and Curt Schilling from Boston for Mike Boddicker. Pre Career WS: -79 Post Career WS: 363 Pre Year WS: -5 PostYearWS: -7 WSAB Pre Career: -47 WSAB Post Career: 207 WSAB Pre Yr: -5 WSAB Post Yr: -4 I had just settled in at Boston when this trade went down. Mike BODdicker became Mike Bod-DECK-er in the deal, and my ears nascently introduced to a Bah-stan accent were highly offended. Anderson had faltered earlier in the season and was back in Triple-A. Boddicker was an established starter. Boddicker would have two and one-half reliable to very good seasons in Boston. Anderson would have a pretty good career in Baltimore. Schilling again becomes a thrown-in awaiting to bloom. The Red Sox did win a division that year and again two years later with Boddicker in the rotation.
#10:Date: December 10, 1971 Trade: California gets Nolan Ryan, Frank Estrada, Don Rose, and Leroy Stanton from the Mets for Jim Fregosi. Pre Career WS: -199 Post Career WS: 340 Pre Year WS: 0 PostYearWS: 26 WSAB Pre Career: -124 WSAB Post Career: 202 WSAB Pre Yr: 0 WSAB Post Yr: 20 And here's the trade, any mention of which every Met fan dreads. It should put to rest the "Quantity for Quality" argument. Fregosi was a very good player with the Angels but a) faltered with the Mets and b) would still not have been fair compensation for Ryan. Never trade a young pitcher with Ryan's natural skills even if he can't find the plate.
To be continued… A Quick One (Happy Mike)
2005-02-17 13:02
Other entries in the Trade Series: Mike: I’ll Take Manhattan: Baseball’s Most Lopsided Trades Studes: The Best and Worst Teams of the Trade The Best and Worst Teams of the Trade: Revisted Here is a quickie aperitif while we finalize the transaction data for future multi-course meals. We have been adding in-season and interstitial Win Share metrics to add more depth, hopefully, to the analysis (and because I love trying to make update queries work in Access). Anyway, here's a taste, and don't worry: it's wafer thin. First, here are the players who traded midseason after accumulating the greatest Win Shares totals for their original teams. And the Cliff Floyd double entry is not a typo. It is the aftereffect of his being laundered in MLB's washing machine, the then-Expos, and then presented as a gift to John Henry's Red Sox:
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